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I know there's quite a few other stamps on this topic out there, and definitely some who do it better than I did, but I thought I'd give it a shot anyway. I do understand that many Christians do not have a problem with gay people, so if that is you please do not try to get offended. :) I'm addressing those pro-life people who specifically do not support the right to marriage for same-sex couples, though this stamp could have gone a few other directions as well:


:pointr:If the fetus you save is a liberal, will you still fight for its rights?
:pointr:If the fetus you save is brown, will you still fight for its rights?
:pointr:If the fetus you save is a Terrorist, will you still fight for its rights?
:pointr:If the fetus you save is a Witch, will you still fight for its rights?
:pointr:If the fetus you save is a Transgendered Person, will you still fight for its rights?
:pointr:If the fetus you save is a woman, will you still fight for its rights?
:pointr:If the fetus you save is an Atheist, will you still fight for its rights?
:pointr:If the fetus you save is a Satanist, will you still fight for its rights?
:pointr:If the fetus you save is a Bill O'reilly, will you still fight for its rights?
:pointr:If the fetus you save is an undocumented immigrant, will you still fight for its rights?
And so on and so forth.

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AquosBoost Featured By Owner Edited Apr 15, 2015  Student Digital Artist
If the person wants it, yes.
If the person doesn't, no.
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catz537 Featured By Owner Mar 13, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Lol nope. It's a potential life anyway, and nobody knows what it will be or what will happen, so it doesn't matter. I'm pro-choice anyway. I support the rights of the already living born PERSON with complex thought and emotion who KNOWS what is happening to her and could be getting hurt because of it.
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Rhavencroft Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2015  Student Digital Artist
This shouldn't even be an issue. What kind of idiot is hypocritical enough to think that pro-life is a-okay until the ideals start conflicting? Even if you are opposed to gay marriage it still doesn't make sense.
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snowpuff77 Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2015
Since many pro-lifers insist on adoption over abortion, I liked to consider this challenge: "If the fetus you saved was ADOPTED by a couple of Satanists (seeing how many pro-lifers argue against abortion in the name of Christianity) will you still fight for its rights?"
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Rhavencroft Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2015  Student Digital Artist
A challenge...? Bwaha. Any religion, twisted from original meaning or not, that pushes people to regret sparing a life because that life chose a different path than it's predecessor is sick. I think you have a huge misconception of Christianity, friend. We aren't all Westbro Baptist Church. 

Also, modern Satanism (though not something we agree with) isn't even moderately close to bad enough to make anyone want to kill their own child (abortion or not) for switching over. It's not like they are hiding in caves and sacrificing goats.
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snowpuff77 Featured By Owner Feb 22, 2015
I wasn't implying that ALL Christians have those strict "baptist" views, nor was I implying that ALL Satanists were evil blood sacrificers. And besides, I get Christian misconceptions ALL the time, and getting them clarified, does more than a huge favor for me. I don't see why you have to sound so cocky over the question I asked to go with the stamp's description.
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Rhavencroft Featured By Owner Feb 22, 2015  Student Digital Artist
I considered your question to have a similar tone. I apologize for the unnecessary aggressiveness, and am grateful for your gracious response. I replied with what I did because making Satanism appear as something that pro-lifer would want a child to die before they join doesn't put the mentioned 'many' pro-lifers in the best of lights, and since you correctly stated that many pro-lifers are Christian, the majority was implied.

My point was, it shouldn't be a legitimate challenge to anyone but a minority of extremists, maybe along the lines of that guy who thought it was a good idea to kill an abortionist doctor to make his point (That kind of hypocrisy makes me want to pull out my hair). Baptists aren't necessarily included along that line either, it's an unfortunate coincidence that Westbro had to shove that denomination into a bad light with their radicalism. 
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snowpuff77 Featured By Owner Feb 22, 2015
Part of this pretty much had to do with these so-called "Christians" thinking they HAVE to convert all these "unbelievers" or else they're defaulted to Hell (Based on a schoolmate's toxic bible that quoted in a footnote "People who do not believe in Jesus will be forever in Hell also"). I felt the "fundies" would have objected to having a "saved" baby adopted out by their "enemy" Satanists, other unbelievers, or a gay couple, since they often severely condemn such practices.

Amazingly, I've looked at these 9 Satanic Statements churchofsatan.com/nine-satanic… & 11 Satanic Rules of the Earth churchofsatan.com/eleven-rules… and my gosh! I couldn't agree more with their points! (Even Satanists condemn rape, harming children, animal cruelty, etc. ) I may not worship Satan, but I'm gonna start applying their list of rules to my moral beliefs; a fairer give-and take, and personal responsibility, unlike the toxic holier-than-thou "Christian" hypocrisy that too often taught passivity, blind obedience, and meanwhile shielded wicked abusers behind the obligation of forgiveness.
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Rhavencroft Featured By Owner Edited Feb 22, 2015  Student Digital Artist
Haha, haven't heard that one before. We do believe in conversion, but not for that reason. It isn't to save our own skins, its to save yours. But if you don't want to believe that, it's your choice. Maybe we'll be a little sad, but it is completely wrong to put somebody down for choosing otherwise. 'holier than though' is an ideal perpetuated by human nature. I've talked to Muslims who hold the same mentality, and even Atheists. These flaws aren't always tied to specific religions. Anything can be abused, because we're all human. And you probably see more corruptions of Christianity if A. You live in the US (big Christian country) and B. Its one of the world's major religions, meaning the negative percentage is bigger than that of smaller religions, for the same reasons I mentioned. It is not the fault of the original idea, but rather a corruption of it. 

"Be wise in the way you act toward outsiders; make the most of every opportunity. 6Let your conversation be always full of grace, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how to answer everyone," Col. 4:5-6(NIV).

Proverbs 19:22 -
 "What is desirable in a person is kindness, and it is better to be poor than a liar."

I feel alright with sharing those verses since you've shared with me something of another belief, so I hope you don't feel imposed upon. I mean only to solidify my point.

Their basic rules are rules that are tied to most beliefs, I'm not really inclined to see how they are particularly special, especially since the same morals already exist in my own religion. With of course, exceptions being that bit about murdering somebody for bothering you, making them suffer for being annoying in your 'lair' and using magical powers (I don't believe in magic.). I'm not really sure why you want Satanism when otherwise these are core beliefs in pretty much everything, but if that's what you want, it's what you want. 

I would also like to point out a large logical flaw in this list. "Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification!"
Those 'so-called sins' include rape and murder. So basically, it is approving of rape and murder on one page, and on the very next condemning it. I'm a little hesitant to believe that Satanism is founded on such shaky foundations, unless it's a pretty faulty belief to begin with.

I...don't know what you mean by shielding wicked abusers. Forgiveness isn't forgiveness unless it's real, so it isn't an obligation. And I would think that forgiveness is a good thing, because you forgive instead of hating and holding grudges. But that too is just our belief I suppose, which you are welcome to disagree with.
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snowpuff77 Featured By Owner Feb 22, 2015
Agreed to everything you mentioned in your 1st paragraph. I'll list those 2 biblical verses, as they are a very useful to think of. I don't feel imposed on. What do you mean "murdering somebody for bothering you"? Did you mean the 11th Rule of the Earth one? "Destroy" may have a various general subjective meaning in that rule. (I don't believe in magic either) I didn't want Satanism altogether, just those 2 guidelines for their fair give-and-take 2-way street. And I'll make sure to avoid the 9 Satanic sins churchofsatan.com/nine-satanic…. Likewise, "core beliefs in pretty much everything," I like a take a sample from each religious group provided it makes sense and is reasonable.

"shielding wicked abusers" Because too often, no matter how unremorseful and cruelly somebody abused me, I'm "supposed" to forgive them. Meanwhile they're treated as though they don't have to be responsible or sorry for hurting an innocent person (but I have to repent of my sins to God?). They preach about the Unforgiving Servant, almost threatening that if you don't forgive someone, God won't forgive you (but the poorer servant DID ask for more time, while richer servant nastily assaults him w/o provocation). I can forgive any trivial transgressions, but when somebody goes out of their way to abuse or cruelly bully an innocent person (and were never ever sorry for it), it just isn't in me to "forgive" them.
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Rhavencroft Featured By Owner Feb 22, 2015  Student Digital Artist
 I did not mean every religion everywhere, I meant any basic human society, as most residents of modern society don't approve of rape or murder. Do you believe that morals are exclusive to religion? It was my understanding that atheists do not believe this, forgive the assumption if I am incorrect. Point: why chose Satanism over the many other beliefs that hold such morals? You probably had such morals before you knew about Satanism, right? The question was brought on purely by curiosity. 


I am intrigued by the in clarity and brevity of the Satanist statements, it seems...odd, to me. I brought up the points that concerned me the most right off the bat, but I don't have any interest in disproving the religion as a whole. . I didn't mean to imply that you accepted all of these, just that I was personally puzzled by some of the seemingly conflicting points.

Aaah. I see.  No, forgiving someone does not excuse them, they have to confess just like everybody else. The description of the 'Unforgiving Servant' given to you sounds...almost creepily cultish. I do however believe you are referring to a parable, specifically this one: www.biblegateway.com/passage/?…. This illustrates a servant being forgiven for a debt, only for that servant to go after another man who owed him a debt and physically assault him instead of giving him a second chance, and evnetually throw him prison. In the end, the abusive servant is punished for not showing the same forgiveness to his peers. This is similar to what you have described, except that the servant being punished is the abuser. Moral: If you are shown forgiveness, it isn't right to refuse to show that same forgiveness. 

We believe that kind of forgiveness comes out of selflessness of a kind that can try its best to look past any transgressions, even the most cruel, even if the person doesn't have it in them. I don't mean to glorify us and say that we are capable of a forgiveness secular people are not; far from it. I struggle with forgiving trivial things, haha.  But I'm certainly not going to hell because I have trouble forgiving. Forgiving is not a requirement, just something that should be done because it is good. Humans aren't and can't be perfect, so we can't fully ever forgive anything. But doesn't mean we shouldn't try.
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Crazy-Eel Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Pretty much, yes. I don't see how a fetus being gay decreases the value.
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Gothic-Bunny-13 Featured By Owner 6 days ago  Hobbyist General Artist
If the fetus you save is a liberal, will you still fight for its rights?
If the fetus you save is brown, will you still fight for its rights?
If the fetus you save is a Terrorist, will you still fight for its rights?
If the fetus you save is a Witch, will you still fight for its rights?
If the fetus you save is a Transgendered Person, will you still fight for its rights?
If the fetus you save is a woman, will you still fight for its rights?
If the fetus you save is an Atheist, will you still fight for its rights?
If the fetus you save is a Satanist, will you still fight for its rights?
If the fetus you save is a Bill O'reilly, will you still fight for its rights?
If the fetus you save is an undocumented immigrant, will you still fight for its rights?
And so on and so forth.
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Crazy-Eel Featured By Owner 6 days ago  Hobbyist Writer
I've seen these questions, and they appear to be traps, but I will still answer them. I would still fight for the fetus' life in all cases. It is still a life, after all.

It is fortunate that no one knows what the fetus will become.
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Dylan-the-dude Featured By Owner Jul 29, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I hate it when people say they are pro life but are phobes…
I am Prolife, and a baptist, but I am also progay.. and lesbian
In fact, any person is still a person, they have as much potential as the next person…
So… The pro life movement should STFU about judging people and save people for being people!
Nice point by the way, it does take judgmental proxies out of their shell… 
Also, I love contraception! It prevents the problem in the first place :3
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Adrianathekittylover Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Yes :3
not all catholics are homophibic
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LolitheLeopard Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
:iconyoumustbenewhereplz: So you're saying that women can never have abortions again if abortion was illegal? Tell me more about how people can't buy drugs!
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JennaJane Featured By Owner May 25, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Damn right I will!

Transgendered pro-life girl! <3
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RonaldTheZombie Featured By Owner May 24, 2014
Well, there's 2 options.
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Chiminix Featured By Owner May 2, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
If the fetus I save is gay, wouldn't that make you homophobic?
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Spectrobes-Princess Featured By Owner May 26, 2014  Student Writer
Clap 
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8manderz8 Featured By Owner May 3, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Don't see how it would? 
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Apple-Rose Featured By Owner Apr 16, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Nope. Why? Cause I'm pro-choice. I'm not going to fight for any Fetus's life. But I do support equality :D
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Zorobutt Featured By Owner Apr 6, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Yes. It doesn't matter if it's gay, that doesn't make it any more or less important.
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DarkCougar55S Featured By Owner Mar 17, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Yes.

However someone would make a response to this stamp: "If the fetus you abort is gay, does that mean you're homophobic?"
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Panhead13 Featured By Owner Mar 17, 2014  Student General Artist
Yes. 
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SevenZee Featured By Owner Mar 14, 2014  Student Digital Artist
Nope. Not because it's gay, but because I'm Pro-choice. Mothers decision, not mine.
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WoodLily Featured By Owner Mar 14, 2014
Oh course. It doesn't matter if the fetus is gay they still deserve a chance. 
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Old-Marcie1234 Featured By Owner Feb 14, 2014
What's that supposed to mean?
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Exodvs Featured By Owner Oct 9, 2013  Hobbyist Filmographer
Gay: yes.
Lib: yes.
Terrorist: if I knew beforehand, no.
Witch: yes.
Tranny: yes.
Woman: yes (it's noteworthy that far more female fetuses are aborted than male ones).
Atheist: yes.
Satanist: yes.
Mentally challenged neocon: hmm…may need to get back to you on this one.
Undocumented immigrant: yes.

Do I care about the fetus and mother post-birth? Absolutely. I donate to charities, adoption centers, orphanages, etc.
Do I believe a woman who has an abortion should be shunned? Not necessarily. She'll likely go through depression, and needs to be cared for more than ever.
Do I support a federal ban on abortion? Not yet. Until we reform education and invoke SOME (conditional) aspects of HHS, such a law would do more harm than good.
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AClockworkKitten Featured By Owner Sep 16, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Yes to all except to the terrorist and Bill O'Reilly.  Does that make me a bad person?
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scourge1212 Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2013
are gay people really that different from us
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Vocalkokoro Featured By Owner Apr 26, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
We aren't different at all, really. We're just treated that way, unfortunately.
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Akyura44 Featured By Owner Jul 8, 2013  Student General Artist
:clap: Pretty good!
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SpiritualNirvana Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I LOVE THIS, I've always said this to hardcore right wing conservatives who rant about how horrible abortion is in any circumstance, I've always said if that child turns out gay, black, a female, or anything that hardcore conservatives tend to already despise, they'll wish that child was never born in the first place at that point, and treat it like crap. BRAVO great work!
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Annamay168 Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2013
I'm going to answer these for fun. :D

Original question: If the fetus were gay, would you still fight for its rights?

--- Yes, sexual orientation is no concern of mine.

:pointr:If the fetus you save is a liberal, will you still fight for its rights?

---Yes, political beliefs are hardly a concern of mine.

:pointr:If the fetus you save is brown, will you still fight for its rights?

---Yes, I'm brown too. :iconimhappyplz:

:pointr:If the fetus you save is a Terrorist, will you still fight for its rights?

---Nope, it'll cause more harm than good.

:pointr:If the fetus you save is a Witch, will you still fight for its rights?

---Yes, religious beliefs are not my concern.

:pointr:If the fetus you save is a Transgendered Person, will you still fight for its rights?

---Yes, though I'm very sure that he or she would hate me. ^^;

:pointr:If the fetus you save is a woman, will you still fight for its rights?

---Yes, I'm female.

:pointr:If the fetus you save is an Atheist, will you still fight for its rights?

--- Yes, I'm an atheist.

:pointr:If the fetus you save is a Satanist, will you still fight for its rights?

--- Depends on what Satanists do.

:pointr:If the fetus you save is a Bill O'reilly, will you still fight for its rights?

---Who's that?

:pointr:If the fetus you save is an undocumented immigrant, will you still fight for its rights?

---Yes, immigrants are still human.
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Gothic-Bunny-13 Featured By Owner 6 days ago  Hobbyist General Artist
"Depends on what Satanists do. "

Satanists are not evil just to let you know~
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fanofeverything2 Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Of course.
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derpysis Featured By Owner Jun 25, 2013
of course i would.
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Girlsrule98 Featured By Owner Jun 16, 2013  Hobbyist
yes
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Caty34576 Featured By Owner Jun 12, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
hells yeah I would :iconcaty34576: <------do you see these mooves
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KrisCynical Featured By Owner Jun 12, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
This reminds me of the type of militant pro-lifers who are still pro-war, pro-death penalty, and think it's absolutely a-okay to shoot doctors in the head if they work at the clinics that provide terminations.

Many times these are the same people who could give a damn about that fetus once it's actually born, particularly if it is born into a poverty-stricken situation. Their tune then seems to change from "it deserves to live!" to "bootstraps, you moocher!" accompanied by lobbying to slash the funding that child needs in order to live a healthy life and have a chance at being successful through programs like free school lunches, food stamps, head start pre-school, etc.
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AzureCanine Featured By Owner Jun 6, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Haha quandary! How about a gay, liberal, brown, transgendered, female, undocumented immigrant, satanic, athiest witch?

I don't know what that would even be like...
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spideride Featured By Owner Jul 5, 2013  Student General Artist
that'd be the most amazing person ever, i say!
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AzureCanine Featured By Owner Jul 7, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Indubitably.
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AvantGardePony Featured By Owner May 30, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Absolutely. In every instance, and those you haven't said- yes.
Just like I fight for freedom of speech for people I disagree with.
Just like I fight for freedom of religion for people who practice a different faith (or no faith) than me.
Just like I fight for animal welfare, even though I am human.
Just like I fight for factory-farm conditions to be better, even though I'd rather not have to pay for the price difference reducing cruelty would cause.
Just like I fight for a LOT of things that may seem counter intuitive.

Because rights are rights for a reason, and having a difference of opinion is not a fucking good reason to deny someone their rights.

Would you be pro-choice if the fetus you help kill will become a nobel laureate for peace?
Would you be pro-choice if the fetus you help kill will become a food-scientist who solves world hunger?
Would you be pro-choice if the fetus you help kill will become a scientist who solves cancer?
Of course you would.

Because supporting saving or supporting killing a fetus is not related to the FUTURE POTENTIAL of that fetus. It's about right to life for me and right to choice for you. We both believe we are on the side of right, logic and reason, but skewing things and pretending that random shit like "potential outcome" of a life is relevant is ridiculous. If we could tell what kind of person someone will become while they are still in utero the world would be a VERY different place, but we can't so why even mention it?
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S0FT-C00KIE Featured By Owner May 29, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Of course I'd fight for its rights. What does being homosexual have to do with that? :shrug:
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LordElthibar Featured By Owner May 28, 2013
Heck yes! I want to give every child a chance at life.
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kronos-kirbi Featured By Owner May 21, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
A random statement here, I know, but I just want to say I love that rose in the stamp's background.
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8manderz8 Featured By Owner May 22, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Thanks! You can find the stock I used here: Rainbow rose stock by *EliseEnchanted
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