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Stamp: God Doesn't Degrade Women by 8manderz8 Stamp: God Doesn't Degrade Women by 8manderz8
This was supposed to be a rant about the Bible and all that, but one particular sentence in =RebiValeska's description of her stamp got to me. Plus, the people who left comments on her stamp said it far better than I probably could have. So, my apologies for the giant description and rant about the statement, "Feminism is based in arrogance" .

Feminism truly began in the 19th and 20th centuries, back in a time when women did not have the right to vote or to run for office. Women had a "proper" role, one dictated by conduct books as the "feminine ideal." They did not have an equal standing in the world of men. They were told how much to spend on beauty supplies in order to satisfy the annual beauty needs of every woman. They had to face constant humiliations in the workplace, such as gibes at their mental processes, sexual jokes and aggression, invisibility except as sexual objects, and cold demands for more efficiency:

From A People's History of the United States by Howard Zinn:

"A commercial "Guide to Clerical Times Standards" printed a question-and-answer column:

Q: I'm a businessman, and my secretary seems to move entirely too slowly. How many times a minute should she be able to open and close a file drawer?
A. Exactly 25 times. Times for other "open and close operations" ... are .04 minutes for opening or closing a folder, and .026 minutes for opening a standard center desk drawer. If you're worried about her "chair activity," clock her against these standards: "Got up from chair," .033 minutes; "turn in swivel chair," .009 minutes."



Do not sit here and tell me that feminism is based on arrogance. Do not demonize feminists if you enjoy the rights that they won you. If you hate feminists so much, then how about you go back to the way things used to be? In fact, here's a little checklist to get you started:

☑ Give up your right to vote.
☑ Give up any hopes of being anything more than a housewife or something more "suitable" for a woman to work as.
☑ Get used to being regarded as an object instead of a human being.
☑ Say nothing when they talk about how your sweet little mind just can't seem to wrap around concepts.
☑ Learn to like it when men aggressively come at you when they're feeling particularly horny, because you are not a person - you are a sex object.
☑ Accept your fate as a second-class citizen.

I mean, you certainly don't want to be one of those horrible, arrogant feminists, oh no. Because you're right. Wanting equal rights for all sexes is soooo arrogant.

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Disclaimer: I do understand that since the initial movement of feminism, there has been a slight change in the mindset of some of the women who call themselves feminists. I do know that there are women who seek to award women more rights than men. I am not one of those feminists. I believe in the equality of all sexes. So please, do not tell me something that I already know, or that has been mentioned in previous stamps of mine, because I have heard it all before. Thank you.

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:iconmadaitalmai:
MadaiTalmai Featured By Owner Jun 29, 2015
Okay. Can you give me the book(s), chapter(s) and verse(s) that speak about degrading women? I would like to read them.
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CeilingFen Featured By Owner Sep 29, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
the only feminists I've seen (besides a couple of my friends) are feminazis. Those I don't like much at all :I
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iNextMorning Featured By Owner Aug 11, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
there are people who only believe in god hahaha
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Furrykits1 Featured By Owner Aug 7, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I havent read the bible, because the first segment confuses me. How does a person live for over 150 years again?
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BokkaTHfoxrabbit Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2014
ALIENS!
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Furrykits1 Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
THE ALIENS ARE TAKING OVER RUN AND HIDE
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BokkaTHfoxrabbit Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2014
:o (Eek)  Noooo!!!Nuu 
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Rainbow-Sunlight Featured By Owner Aug 18, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
they had better health back then. ( there were no chemical trails or any other sorts of things that would hurt your health)
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Furrykits1 Featured By Owner Aug 18, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
OH
thanks
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Rainbow-Sunlight Featured By Owner Aug 18, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
your welcome! ^_^
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witit Featured By Owner Aug 5, 2014
Um... dude. Have you read the bible? It depicts men in a much more negative light than women. (I think the most unkind depiction of a woman in the bible included prostitutes and sexually obscene behavior.)

The bible blames men for all violence andm ost sexual depravity, and that's why I'm an athiest, because the bible clearly hates men... and women... and everyone. You're not special.
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Splashia Featured By Owner Sep 26, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Facepalm 
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witit Featured By Owner Sep 27, 2014
If you honestly believe that women in the bible are treated or represented with more malice or disrespect, go back and read it again, this time tally up the sins committed by and against each man and each woman, and compare.

I don't care how you FEEL the bible represents women, I care about what it OBJECTIVELY states.

For the record, you can do this outside of religion and in the real world, but this experiment would completely disprove your philosophy of women = victim.
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TheCatWafflez Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Clearly, you haven't read many bibles...
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joeisbadass Featured By Owner Jul 16, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Well considering the book was written over 2,000 years ago in a misogynistic society and was virtually untampered throughout the centuries that shouldn't be a shocker.
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Pixlett Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2014
When birth control first came out, is was not to be allowed to be used by women giving birth because god was punishing them for being women.
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Dielol0000 Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2014
What in the heaven did they drink?
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pipIup Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Even if there was no religion, people would still find a way to argue and discriminate because it is human nature to fight since we form opinions. 

And you shouldn't wish death on a generalized group. Many religious people have done nothing but be kind and loving and peaceful, adding positive impacts on the world
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wakaflockaflame1 Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
indeed
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AClockworkKitten Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2014  Student Digital Artist
Apparently the New Testament was pretty revolutionary for its treatment of women, though.

The guy in the second comment read the entire bible without bothering to study the history as well or why half that shit would be there in the first place?  Really?
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wakaflockaflame1 Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
me?
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AClockworkKitten Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2014  Student Digital Artist
No, I mean in the description.
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wakaflockaflame1 Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
ah I see,thank u for clarifying
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AClockworkKitten Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2014  Student Digital Artist
No problem.
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wakaflockaflame1 Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Think of it as divine punishment,we all have to face the truth sometime,God doesn't degrade women,nor does the book,basically, if you feel that The good book is degrading women,that's you.
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seadoq Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2014
this was a book that has been altered by the hands of men for hundreds of years.
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wakaflockaflame1 Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
indeed it was,you have a point there
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seadoq Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2014
exactly so I don't get why people feel like they have to believe in EVERYTHING it says. :'U
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wakaflockaflame1 Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Yeah,I also think they removed books from the bible
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CelticWarriorMoon Featured By Owner Feb 8, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
...Enough to make me think twice about my religion. -_-
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wakaflockaflame1 Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Really...not me,remember God made man,then saw that he WAS lonely...and made Woman,to stand by him. As punishment for disobeying, she must be second to man,just like the fact man must work til death.
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KINGRIEVOUS Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
You are a fool.
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wakaflockaflame1 Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
lol,how?
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KINGRIEVOUS Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Do you believe every little thing a book told you?
If I read your statement correctly, you are saying "Women are second to Man"
When the truth is, they are our equal, if not better.
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wakaflockaflame1 Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Agreed, they are equal, I'm just noting myself...how legit it seems
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KINGRIEVOUS Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
As long as you see them equal to us, were good.
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wakaflockaflame1 Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
 I truly don't think the bible degrade women,you may just be confused. For example, people offend think Jesus said the 10 commandments were useless,but if u read closely, he ACTUALLY enforces them.
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seadoq Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2014
Oh, yes, to add on to my previous comment, 
here's two lists of translated verses that are proof of the bible degrading women;

also why I could never see myself as a Christian. I remember one of my cousins actually told me that men should always be dominant in a relationship, because the bible says so. lAUGHS LOUDLY like why does there need to be a dominant figure all of the time? if you believe that, you're going to be miserable for the rest of your life; letting one person control you and tell you what to do just because you're married. 
and also, why would you believe in some dusty book that's been altered by men for thousands of years? I feel like the women who read that book and take it too seriously, scared to disagree with some of the verses, are going to live extremely miserable lives, believing that their only job on this planet is to pleasure men with sex and just be a housewife. I find that really funny if people actually believe that.

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Solo-Man3D Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
You lost credibility at godlike productions. That place is nothing more than a satanic cess pool of lies and fear, illuminati worthless propaganda.     But hey if a women wants to go to work and slave all day while I stay home and raise the kid(s) and do the laundry, I don't personally have a problem with that. I know many white girls that do just that for their stay at home black boyfriends.  I don't think God would like it too much but Satan would love it.  But Satan would also love for people to hold his hand and walk off the cliff with him into hell. He has absolutely no compassion to do that to some one. It is his one goal and soul mission.   So the biggest gripe of feminism is being a "bitch" to a man.   

The reality is we have two choices. We can be a bitch to God or a bitch to Satan.  If you love the world and honor among men, you are a slave to the world. But this life means nothing and is just a passing fancy as the Quran puts it.   You cannot serve to masters.   

Its not that God WILL without a doubt send you to hell. But its that God COULD send you to hell.  Because you are not God. You do not make the sun go up with your smart phone. God put us in this life and back to God we go after we die. 


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seadoq Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2014
blegh! sorry about all of those typos. I was using my phone without my glasses.

I don't think it's about Satan or God's preferences about that kind of stuff. Both women and men should be able to do whatever they like, without any specific roles or jobs, because I doubt that that's what we were created for.
Women have the power to choose whether they want to bring life into this world or not. That's pretty much their only natural "job" on this world. There's nothing specific that only one sex is capable for. ( such as childcare, laundry, working, and etc. )

Having a job =/= slaving away. It's earning money to help pay bills AND ALSO help raise the children and keep a happy household. All sexes can do that.

But, no, feminism isn't about rising over men. Once again, the main point of feminism is to be treated equally in society, politics, economy, AND even religion. It's not about being bitches to men or trying to become superior to them.
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Solo-Man3D Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Can two women make a baby?      
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seadoq Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2014
ACTUALLY, yes, they can. this article explains:

besides, women don't NEED men; just like men don't NEED women. neither sex needs each other to do anything. 
and relationships aren't about babies, babies aren't essentials to living, and not everyone wants a baby. 

I'm talking about abortion. *dramatic gasps in the distance* A woman can choose whether she wants to keep her baby or abort it, and if she decides to, there's nothing the man can do about it because it's her body. 
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seadoq Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2014
I dont believe in Satan, or the illuminati rumours.

I dont know anything about that site, :I

Aldo, I cant find myself believing in anything you just typed. If he's supposed to be our all loving, o high and mighty "God," then why woulf he send his creations to some burning place called Hell??

I domt get it, and I never will, hahaha.
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Solo-Man3D Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Because God put you in this world. Back to God you go when you die. As they say in the bible. "Giving up the ghost". = your soul.  Where do you think souls go?  Its not to wonder aimlessly on the Earth "seeking the light".    Haunting Ghost are tricks of devils and demons.          

Its not IF God can send you to hell. But CAN God send me to hell?  The answer is yes to both questions. You don't make the sun go up with your smart phone. And the greatest trick the devil ever played was convincing the world he didn't exist.
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seadoq Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2014
1. You're said "you don't make the sun go up with your smartphone" twice. I don't know where/who you got this from, but it's not cute or funny so stop.

2. I believe in reincarnation. There is no 'heaven,' or no 'god' to go back up to, or a hell, demons & devils or Satan.

3. I feel that if there really was a deity or god, I doubt it would demand us to worship it or even acknowledge it at all. I doubt it even has a gender or sex because it supposedly created the different sexes, so it can't JUST be male or JUST be female.

4. that's all of YOUR beliefs, not mine. YOU believe in that, and we obviously don't believe in the same things so you should stop trying to teach me about it. I'm not going to believe in this no matter how much you inform me about it. I will not change me views, stop being a faminist, or convert beliefs systems because of your words.
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pancake451 Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
Well wut if ur reincarnation thing didn't work where would u go?if u say Chrisitianity is a false religion  (which it isn't and its not a religion)  thats something u have to think about... and first God sends us to hell becuz u chose to go to hell. God gave us a choice to accept Jesus Christ or choose to reject Him. In the Bible says that "If u r not with me u r against me"
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seadoq Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2014
"u" =/= "you." don't expect me to take you seriously with ur text tlk
where I come from, reincarnation always works. the soul cannot stay unknown, it's constantly searching for a new body until it finally has found one.
Christianity is a religion, and I disagree wholeheartedly with it.

I feel like if this high 'n mighty, unrighteous sky daddy "God" of yours really existed, he wouldn't want to send us to some firey place called "Hell" just for not believing that he's real. that's fucking stupid and your god isn't "all loving" in that case.

and if I'm "wrong," surely I'll have loads of fun in Hell! <:
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pancake451 Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
Ok do even have any proof reincarnation is true? First im Christian and its not a religion! U chose to go to hell God gave us a choice if you want to go to heaven and hell so you chose to go to hell. In Bible it says in Revelation I think that hell is a fiery furnace and complete darkness, grinding and gnashing of teeth. People screaming cursing. So believe me I don't want you to go there thats why im telling you this. I don't want to argue with you about it. Trust me u wont like it in hell 
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seadoq Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2014
THANK YOU SO FUCKING MUCH
the bible portrays women to be dumb and / or stupid in many ways.
i love you so much for making this stamp ( hope that didn't sound creepy!! )
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