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This was supposed to be a rant about the Bible and all that, but one particular sentence in =RebiValeska's description of her stamp got to me. Plus, the people who left comments on her stamp said it far better than I probably could have. So, my apologies for the giant description and rant about the statement, "Feminism is based in arrogance" .

Feminism truly began in the 19th and 20th centuries, back in a time when women did not have the right to vote or to run for office. Women had a "proper" role, one dictated by conduct books as the "feminine ideal." They did not have an equal standing in the world of men. They were told how much to spend on beauty supplies in order to satisfy the annual beauty needs of every woman. They had to face constant humiliations in the workplace, such as gibes at their mental processes, sexual jokes and aggression, invisibility except as sexual objects, and cold demands for more efficiency:

From A People's History of the United States by Howard Zinn:

"A commercial "Guide to Clerical Times Standards" printed a question-and-answer column:

Q: I'm a businessman, and my secretary seems to move entirely too slowly. How many times a minute should she be able to open and close a file drawer?
A. Exactly 25 times. Times for other "open and close operations" ... are .04 minutes for opening or closing a folder, and .026 minutes for opening a standard center desk drawer. If you're worried about her "chair activity," clock her against these standards: "Got up from chair," .033 minutes; "turn in swivel chair," .009 minutes."



Do not sit here and tell me that feminism is based on arrogance. Do not demonize feminists if you enjoy the rights that they won you. If you hate feminists so much, then how about you go back to the way things used to be? In fact, here's a little checklist to get you started:

☑ Give up your right to vote.
☑ Give up any hopes of being anything more than a housewife or something more "suitable" for a woman to work as.
☑ Get used to being regarded as an object instead of a human being.
☑ Say nothing when they talk about how your sweet little mind just can't seem to wrap around concepts.
☑ Learn to like it when men aggressively come at you when they're feeling particularly horny, because you are not a person - you are a sex object.
☑ Accept your fate as a second-class citizen.

I mean, you certainly don't want to be one of those horrible, arrogant feminists, oh no. Because you're right. Wanting equal rights for all sexes is soooo arrogant.

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Disclaimer: I do understand that since the initial movement of feminism, there has been a slight change in the mindset of some of the women who call themselves feminists. I do know that there are women who seek to award women more rights than men. I am not one of those feminists. I believe in the equality of all sexes. So please, do not tell me something that I already know, or that has been mentioned in previous stamps of mine, because I have heard it all before. Thank you.

Edited to make it more legible




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:iconprinceomarikubin:
PrinceOmariKubin Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2016  New Deviant Hobbyist Interface Designer
Lucifer was one a female deity who gave light until god sex changed her and banished her for NO reason!!
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:iconoddgarfield:
OddGarfield Featured By Owner 5 days ago  Student Interface Designer
Satan is a man you idiot, quit posing as someone who holds knowledge of Christianity.
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PrinceOmariKubin Featured By Owner 5 days ago  New Deviant Hobbyist Interface Designer
You don't either! ¬_¬
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:iconoddgarfield:
OddGarfield Featured By Owner 5 days ago  Student Interface Designer
I read the Holy Bible everyday, I do my best to mirror the actions and teachings of Christ and Christianity in my everyday life. You have no right to say that I don't because you do not know me.
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ionoid Featured By Owner Dec 24, 2015

1 Corinthians 11:3 
But I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a wife is her husband, and the head of Christ is God.

1 Corinthians 11:8-9 
For man was not made from woman, but woman from man. Neither was man created for woman, but woman for man.

Colossians 3:18
Wives, submit to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord.

1 Corinthians 14:34 - 14:35

34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but [they are commanded] to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

1 Corinthians 11:5 - But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with [her] head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.

Ephesians 5:22-23, 33 Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior… However, let each one of you love his wife as himself, and let the wife see that she respects her husband.

1 Timothy 2:9-15
Likewise, I want women to adorn themselves with proper clothing, modestly and discreetly, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly garments, but rather by means of good works, as is proper for women making a claim to godliness. A woman must quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness.    

Genesis 3:16
To the woman He said, "I will greatly multiply Your pain in childbirth, In pain you will bring forth children; Yet your desire will be for your husband, And he will rule over you."

1 Peter 3:1-7
In the same way, you wives, be submissive to your own husbands so that even if any of them are disobedient to the word, they may be won without a word by the behavior of their wives, as they observe your chaste and respectful behavior. Your adornment must not be merely external--braiding the hair, and wearing gold jewelry, or putting on dresses;    

Deuteronomy 22:23-24
If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.

Deuteronomy 22:28-29
If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.

Deuteronomy 22:20-21
But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst.

Are you happy now, you ass?
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AnScathMarcach Featured By Owner Edited Dec 24, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
You didn't look at those links, did you. Literally EVERY one of those was addressed, plus more.
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KeuIiseu Featured By Owner Nov 22, 2015  Student General Artist
To be honest, I hate the feminists who focus on the first world women rather than third world women. (Also tumblr "feminists")
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:iconoddgarfield:
OddGarfield Featured By Owner Oct 31, 2015  Student Interface Designer
Oh well, history is history.
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iBottle Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2015
What do you mean? 
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:iconoddgarfield:
OddGarfield Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2015  Student Interface Designer
I mean no matter what you feminists may think, we will continue to follow the text and not question it. If you don't like that, then mind your own business.
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ZekeEugene Featured By Owner Edited Dec 28, 2015
I'm not a feminist by any means, but I still feel some concerns about what you are implying, and I have two questions:

You said that you would continue to follow the text without any question at all. But since your god is supposed to be some kind of leader, with that logic, wouldn't blindly following your god's words with absolutely no questions what-so-ever basically mean that you're submitting to a tyrant? What sort of supposedly "benevolent leader" does not want to hear questions?

I apologize if I hurt your feelings, but I'm simply asking out of curiosity, that's all.
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OddGarfield Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2015  Student Interface Designer
I do not take kindly to temptation Zeke, I am and will always be a servant to my Lord and his teachings, through him, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit. You may call him a tyrant but I call him my Father. Frankly, I do not know what you mean by not answering questions? ... the Bible says not to test God, all we must do is believe in Jesus Christ, follow the Ten Commandments, and trust the Lord with his word through the text of the Bible. By my statement of "Oh well, history is history" is that the fact of the Bible being written over many centuries of stories being passed down by word of mouth by the decibels of Jesus Christ and the disciples of those disciples which would be spread throughout the Roman Empire, European Imperialism and Colonization, and so forth as shown throughout history. The Bible may speak sorely about women, but back then, women were servants, today, they are not, and they are not treated as such by modern Christians.

Its all good if you expand outside of the Politically Correct society that we've moved into to take chances in offending people, that's the freedom of speech given to us after all, we must use it to our full capacity.
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ZekeEugene Featured By Owner Edited Dec 29, 2015
I'm not trying to tempt you or offend you at all, I simply asked a couple of questions out of curiosity. I apologized in advance because I was worried that I might offend you.

And I did not actually call your god a tyrant at all either. I was just making a comparison to what you said, because it initially sounded to me, at first, like you're implying that you would blindly follow your god. You said, and I quote: "....we will continue to follow the text and not question it". That quote seemed to imply that your god is some kind of tyrant that wants everyone to do what he says without any questions what-so-ever.

I understand that you want to refer to him as your father, and I respect that. But with that logic, wouldn't a parent want to satisfy the curiosity of their child? For example, I love my mother. But if I am worried about any of decisions decisions, I ask questions out of curiosity, with concern added to the mix if necessary. And of course, she always answers me kindly and truthfully. No mother or father should ever avoid the questions that their innocent child asks them.

What I meant by my question about you not asking questions to your god is that your god is supposed to be a benevolent leader and a father of some kind. So by that logic, shouldn't he want to hear questions?
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OddGarfield Featured By Owner Dec 29, 2015  Student Interface Designer
Don't worry about offending anyone, freedom of speech doesn't exist if everything that people think to say is second guessed so that someone else will not be offended.

I am not blindly following my God because I have the Holy Bible to give teachings. We do not question the text of the Holy Bible because if we did not believe in the text, then we would not be true Christians. Its all in belief of Jesus Christ, the eternal happiness that follows as we practice our own religion, and the gratitude of knowing that if we correctly follow the teachings of the Ten Commandments, and of the books within the Holy Bible, then we will have eternal life after death in the Kingdom of God, Heaven. Again, that is all in loyal belief. If you believed that the quote that you quoted from my own text implied our God as a tyrant, then tell me this: Do you think that your parents are tyrants for teaching you as a child the well beings and common understanding of the world that you were born into?

Well, giving another example since I am currently dealing with a medical issue that I've been dealing with for almost three years now, I've ask our Lord in prayer many times for him to heal my incision, and he's done so over time. I know that he's done so because right after I've finished some of these prayers, my incision began to itch telling me that it was indeed healing. Just today I had a doctors appointment to check my healing progress, and before that, and after, I think that I've had close at least ten itch-attacks telling me that I was healing. My point on this example is that sometimes God doesn't answer us with words when we ask him questions, he may help us in what we are asking for, or he may aid us in pains like my medical issue.
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ZekeEugene Featured By Owner Edited 6 days ago
Although, in hindsight, I was not really referring to my parents teaching me well-beings and common understanding. Those are understandable.

I was actually referring to a hypothetical scenario about when my mother and father actually make a mistake. By your logic, since you're not allowed to question the bible even though it implies that women should always be "servants", should I not be allowed to question and call out my parents if they make an error?
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ZekeEugene Featured By Owner Dec 29, 2015
I see.

Thank you for your explanation, and I apologize for my misunderstanding.
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iBottle Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2015
Ahh I see I am not a  ''modern feminist'' (I do support equality). Feminism has become a joke. I just didn't get the ''history is history'' line.
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:iconoddgarfield:
OddGarfield Featured By Owner Dec 10, 2015  Student Interface Designer
I said "you feminists", that was a typo on the DA app , sorry.
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MadaiTalmai Featured By Owner Jun 29, 2015
Okay. Can you give me the book(s), chapter(s) and verse(s) that speak about degrading women? I would like to read them.
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Riza-Izumi Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2015
1 Corinthians 11:3 
But I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a wife is her husband, and the head of Christ is God.

1 Corinthians 11:8-9 
For man was not made from woman, but woman from man. Neither was man created for woman, but woman for man.

Colossians 3:18
Wives, submit to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord.

1 Corinthians 14:34 - 14:35

34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but [they are commanded] to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.


1 Corinthians 11:5 - But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with [her] head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.

Ephesians 5:22-23, 33 Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior… However, let each one of you love his wife as himself, and let the wife see that she respects her husband.

1 Timothy 2:9-15
Likewise, I want women to adorn themselves with proper clothing, modestly and discreetly, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly garments, but rather by means of good works, as is proper for women making a claim to godliness. A woman must quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness.    

Genesis 3:16
To the woman He said, "I will greatly multiply Your pain in childbirth, In pain you will bring forth children; Yet your desire will be for your husband, And he will rule over you."

1 Peter 3:1-7
In the same way, you wives, be submissive to your own husbands so that even if any of them are disobedient to the word, they may be won without a word by the behavior of their wives, as they observe your chaste and respectful behavior. Your adornment must not be merely external--braiding the hair, and wearing gold jewelry, or putting on dresses;    

Deuteronomy 22:23-24
If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.

Deuteronomy 22:28-29
If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.

Deuteronomy 22:20-21
But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst.
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1CHORNIGHT Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
this ^
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CeilingFen Featured By Owner Sep 29, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
the only feminists I've seen (besides a couple of my friends) are feminazis. Those I don't like much at all :I
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OddGarfield Featured By Owner Oct 31, 2015  Student Interface Designer
I've got those, they're more Sexist then reliable in what they speak of.
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iNextMorning Featured By Owner Aug 11, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
there are people who only believe in god hahaha
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Furrykits1 Featured By Owner Aug 7, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I havent read the bible, because the first segment confuses me. How does a person live for over 150 years again?
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BokkaTHfoxrabbit Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2014
ALIENS!
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:iconfurrykits1:
Furrykits1 Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
THE ALIENS ARE TAKING OVER RUN AND HIDE
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BokkaTHfoxrabbit Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2014
:o (Eek)  Noooo!!!Nuu 
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Rainbow-Sunlight Featured By Owner Aug 18, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
they had better health back then. ( there were no chemical trails or any other sorts of things that would hurt your health)
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Furrykits1 Featured By Owner Aug 18, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
OH
thanks
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Rainbow-Sunlight Featured By Owner Aug 18, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
your welcome! ^_^
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witit Featured By Owner Aug 5, 2014
Um... dude. Have you read the bible? It depicts men in a much more negative light than women. (I think the most unkind depiction of a woman in the bible included prostitutes and sexually obscene behavior.)

The bible blames men for all violence andm ost sexual depravity, and that's why I'm an athiest, because the bible clearly hates men... and women... and everyone. You're not special.
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Splashia Featured By Owner Sep 26, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Facepalm 
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:iconwitit:
witit Featured By Owner Sep 27, 2014
If you honestly believe that women in the bible are treated or represented with more malice or disrespect, go back and read it again, this time tally up the sins committed by and against each man and each woman, and compare.

I don't care how you FEEL the bible represents women, I care about what it OBJECTIVELY states.

For the record, you can do this outside of religion and in the real world, but this experiment would completely disprove your philosophy of women = victim.
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TheCatWafflez Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Clearly, you haven't read many bibles...
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joeisbadass Featured By Owner Jul 16, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Well considering the book was written over 2,000 years ago in a misogynistic society and was virtually untampered throughout the centuries that shouldn't be a shocker.
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Pixlett Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2014
When birth control first came out, is was not to be allowed to be used by women giving birth because god was punishing them for being women.
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Dielol0000 Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2014
What in the heaven did they drink?
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pipIup Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Even if there was no religion, people would still find a way to argue and discriminate because it is human nature to fight since we form opinions. 

And you shouldn't wish death on a generalized group. Many religious people have done nothing but be kind and loving and peaceful, adding positive impacts on the world
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wakaflockaflame1 Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
indeed
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AClockworkKitten Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2014  Student Digital Artist
Apparently the New Testament was pretty revolutionary for its treatment of women, though.

The guy in the second comment read the entire bible without bothering to study the history as well or why half that shit would be there in the first place?  Really?
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wakaflockaflame1 Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
me?
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AClockworkKitten Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2014  Student Digital Artist
No, I mean in the description.
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wakaflockaflame1 Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
ah I see,thank u for clarifying
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AClockworkKitten Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2014  Student Digital Artist
No problem.
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wakaflockaflame1 Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Think of it as divine punishment,we all have to face the truth sometime,God doesn't degrade women,nor does the book,basically, if you feel that The good book is degrading women,that's you.
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seadoq Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2014
this was a book that has been altered by the hands of men for hundreds of years.
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wakaflockaflame1 Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
indeed it was,you have a point there
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