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*The quote is from this Anon question here.

I obviously don't believe in "God," but one of the complaints about abortion people use a lot is that it's not "God's Will/Plan/Etc" for the person involved to have an abortion.

I have to call bullshit on that.

Unless you're prepared to say that God exists only in your own mind, and that the only reason God agrees with you all the time is because you are God,, because he is your delusion, then you've no place telling people what "God's Plan" is for them.

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snowpuff77 Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2015
I've heard similar quotes to this too. "If God gave man free will, then He must be pro-choice" or "If God has a plan for everyone...and a fetus is a person...can't abortion just be 'their plan'?"
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Fantiie Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
LOOOOOOOOOL
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Oceanblue-Art Featured By Owner Oct 25, 2014  Student General Artist
Do not EVER let anyone tell you what "God's plan" is for you. The point of God having a plan for you is that it's ONLY between you and Them; whoever claims to know what Their plan is for you is basically claiming to be God. 
In that same vein, don't EVER let someone tell you that you're going to Hell or Heaven. Again, this is something only God knows. 
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LupusCor010 Featured By Owner May 27, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
No one knows God's plan. However, we all know one thing; God loves all His children, and the baby a pregnant woman carries is human and one of His children.
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:iconlegendofspyrothedrag:
mainly God leaves you for your choices.
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:iconlordelthibar:
LordElthibar Featured By Owner Oct 15, 2013
You know nothing of God's plan.
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:iconkittycreator:
KittyCreator Featured By Owner Jul 14, 2014  Student Digital Artist
You don't need a family to be happy.
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:iconlordelthibar:
LordElthibar Featured By Owner Jul 14, 2014
I want a family!
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Oceanblue-Art Featured By Owner Oct 25, 2014  Student General Artist
Good for you then. 
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DeadMooseMarch Featured By Owner Aug 27, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
What if you cant make children tho? like if you are with the same gender? cause i want children but i'm with a girl
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LordElthibar Featured By Owner Aug 27, 2014
Oh for heaven's sake, please don't hate me or accuse me of hating because I disagree. I won't answer because it will only upset you.
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KittyCreator Featured By Owner Jul 14, 2014  Student Digital Artist
But we don't
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LordElthibar Featured By Owner Jul 14, 2014
I would strongly advise against any non Christian about what is or is not God's will.
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:iconkittycreator:
KittyCreator Featured By Owner Jul 14, 2014  Student Digital Artist
I will not follow a make-believe man
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:iconlordelthibar:
LordElthibar Featured By Owner Jul 14, 2014
Then follow the true God rather than any of these false idols.
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KittyCreator Featured By Owner Jul 15, 2014  Student Digital Artist
No. I will follow myself. Not let your stupid book decide my life.
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8manderz8 Featured By Owner Oct 16, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
And I'm guessing that YOU know the intricacies of "God's" plan?
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LordElthibar Featured By Owner Oct 16, 2013
I know the morality that God desires and His value toward human life.
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8manderz8 Featured By Owner Oct 23, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I think you're missing the point of my stamp. 
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LordElthibar Featured By Owner Oct 23, 2013
No I'm not. I know God's standards that he set and I have a personal relationship with Him, hence my knowledge of His will, but you would deny that. I also know that it contradicts the Scripture, hence, my knowledge of how this is truly not God's plan. Since you aren't a Christian, I would seriously doubt that you have any capability to know God's will.
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8manderz8 Featured By Owner Oct 23, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Gotta love the condescension. Tell me, if you have a personal relationship with God, why does he allow children to die? If he is all powerful, he certainly must be able to stop things like cancer. If he is a benevolent god, he certainly would want to. If he's all knowing, he must know how to stop it. Why then does he allow it? Also, what's his accent =p
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LordElthibar Featured By Owner Oct 23, 2013

The answer is the consequences of sin in this world. Sin is worse to God than the waste that is in our sewers and yet He loves us still. Everything is used for the good of those who love God and so the good are tested through trails and tribulations alot like Job. Innocent people die because of the hands of the guilty and God is merciful enough to allow them more time on Earth for them to have an extended chance of knowing Him. Part of this I know from experience for earlier this year, a dear childhood friend of mine was killed in a car crash due to the stupidity of a drunk driver. It gutted me but I knew that God was merciful even to the guilty for my good friend already knew Jesus as her savior and so she was guarenteed salvation. It greives me to this day that she died but the trail of pain made me a stronger man for I knew that God shared my suffering. God Himself does not like allowing these things to happen, but He does not want us to have an easy life but to be strong people.

I ended up making a video in honor of my friends memory www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHzmV6….<?xml:namespace prefix = da />Waaaah! 

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themaintheif Featured By Owner Jun 21, 2015  Student Traditional Artist
I sin all the time im still alive. he must love me alot.
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8manderz8 Featured By Owner Oct 23, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
We will have to agree to disagree regarding the existence of sin, I don't believe there's enough evidence to speak to the existence of it, but I understand that religion and belief does bring a certain comfort to some, and that it is an absolute necessity for some folks. That all being said, I'm very sorry to hear about your friend. My deepest sympathies go to you. 
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TheMeTheyDontSee Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
People are trying to argue in the comments that abortions are bad.  That doesn't matter here.  That's not what she's saying.  All she said is that the argument that it's God's plan for you to get pregnant is not a valid argument because anything you do can be called God's plan.  You can be anti-abortion and still agree with it.  It's just pointing out a logical fallacy.
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themaintheif Featured By Owner Jun 21, 2015  Student Traditional Artist
Yes exactly!~
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Oceanblue-Art Featured By Owner Oct 25, 2014  Student General Artist
Thank you for being one of the few level-headed people in this comments section. 
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AClockworkKitten Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2013  Student Digital Artist
And honestly, if you put it like that, then anything is justifiable.
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Gwenvar Featured By Owner Jul 21, 2013   General Artist
Justifiable is a man-made thing, and is flexible according to situation (see: self defence).
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AClockworkKitten Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Huh, interesting.

I honestly think you're a lot nicer about this stuff now than you were then.
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8manderz8 Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I do try to be a bit less mean about it nowadays I suppose. I still think that the whole idea of "God's plan" is a bit rubbish but that's just because I don't believe in God. And you're right, anything is justifiable if you say God wanted you to do it. That's precisely why I dislike that excuse :)
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CitrineG Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2013  Student Digital Artist
reminds me of a quoet I heard once....
"If I break my leg, I'd believe God wanted me to break my leg. I also believe He'd want me to put a splint on it."
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AClockworkKitten Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2013  Student Digital Artist
And I have to ask why he wanted you to break it in the first place. I think God just likes fucking with us.
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CitrineG Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2013  Student Digital Artist
I have no idea. But I thought it was a neat quote.
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BlueMyuu Featured By Owner Jul 29, 2012  Student
Well, if you didn't want a baby, then maybe you shouldn't have thought ahead before you stepped into bed, eh?
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Vyanni-Krace-ACE Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
What if they were raped? Just to be blunt.
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Ask-War Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2012  Professional Artist
"Well, if you didn't want a baby, then maybe you shouldn't have thought ahead before you stepped into bed, eh?" Who says they didn't? Perhaps their contraception failed, or maybe one of them was an unwilling participant if you catch my drift.

Thinking ahead isn't a good argument against abortion, because a lot of women do think about it. Sometimes they don't, sometimes the plan sucks and sometimes the plan simply fails.
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AClockworkKitten Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Well yeah. But it's not like those are the only reasons people have abortions. There are those that have them just because they fucked up.
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Ntn2 Featured By Owner Sep 4, 2012
I guess. It still isn't a good argument against abortions.
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Seitar Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Well, if you don't want to be pregnant or have child you should take precautions against it and keep your options in mind in case those precautions fail because sex isn't used solely for procreation, eh?
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BlueMyuu Featured By Owner Sep 13, 2012  Student
The best precaution is not putting yourself in a situation that requires caution. :/
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Tawana Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2012
...You're jokeing right? What about rape or incest? What if the mothers life is in danger? Condems break, Birth control sometimes fail. And think about this, do you really want an irresponceable person raising a baby?
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CitrineG Featured By Owner Aug 3, 2012  Student Digital Artist
BUT BIRTH CONTROLZ SATANZ SPWN EVRY1 NOES DAT!!!!!!!111!!
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Tawana Featured By Owner Aug 3, 2012
I didn't know an unwatned prenancy preventer was the spawn of satan, here I was not knowing anything.
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CitrineG Featured By Owner Aug 4, 2012  Student Digital Artist
XD
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BlueMyuu Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2012  Student
I'm sure that a moral exception could be made if it weren't in any way the fault of yourself, but I simply cannot pity you if you conceive due to your own choice to have sex. If you do so, the effects are your responsibility; if people would merely think ahead, the world would not be in the terrible state that it is now. "irresponceable" people should have to face the consequences of their irresponsibility. The person has lived, as everyone should have a right to (look in the constitution) and even if that life should be miserable, they should make their own decisions about whether they should live or not. Your comment is proof that your parents didn't abort you, and I think every being should have the same opportunity to life.
Have a nice day and remember that you, unlike millions of others, have the opportunity to live :D
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Tawana Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2012
Wow, what a way to dodge the "Rape and incest", you are the typical Pro-lifer. You think pregnacy should be a punishment, which proves that you don't give two shits about the mother.

"The person has lived, as everyone should have a right to (look in the constitution) and even if that life should be miserable, they should make their own decisions about whether they should live or not."

So wait, you want someone to suffer because their parents did not want them? You're cruel and you don't care about anyone whos not a fetus. Please, go spew your bullshit else where.
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BlueMyuu Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2012  Student
I did not dodge that bullet. I said :" I'm sure that a moral exception could be made if it weren't in any way the fault of yourself, but I simply cannot pity you if you conceive due to your own choice to have sex. "
Call me what you want. Just because I am not fond of infanticide does not mean I conform to your vicious stereotypes.
I did not say it was a punishment, I said people should take responsibility for their actions instead of trying to avoid the effects of the decision. Responsibility is really lacking in today's youth.
And yes, I would much rather see people suffer than die. People should make their own decisions on whether they want to live or not. If their parents didn't want them then their parents in my opinion should feel guilt. At least they had the opportunity; what they do with it is theirs.
Don't make generalizations; they are dangerous and can get you into trouble. Do not say "You're cruel" as if you are stating a fact. I do care about people. that's why I'm taking the time to write this instead of letting you fester in a cesspool of ignorance.
And cuss words are childish forms of language that are used when a person does not have an extensive enough vocabulary to think of any other words to express their emotions. Please refrain from using them, as I do not find the excrement of a bull any less appealing than that of any other animal.
Have a nice day. You have the opportunity, unlike some.
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Tawana Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2012
1. You think life is better just because you're alive than how about you look up the starving people in africa who have NOTHING! No food, no water, no technology, no easy acsess to medical care, and are ruled over by a cruel and evil dictator. Than tell me that it's better to be miserable than dead.

2. Cussing does not mean I'm not makeing a vaild point.

3. I had the opportunity to live BECAUSE MY MOTHER WANTED ME! She wasn't raped, she was not forced to carry me AND she was prepaired.
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BlueMyuu Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2012  Student
Hmm.... Whenever people reference the underprivileged they always turn their head towards Africa, although in recent years Africa has made great strides due to outreach and missionary programs. Racism aside, you make what seems to yourself a valid point. Why would anyone want to live when they don't have what you have? Because to some people, material goods are not everything. I have known those who are poor being happier than some millionaires. Life is what you make of it. It is better to use what little you have than to not have been given anything at all. Just because you are in a position of fortune does not mean that people cannot go without luck on their side. They are the successful ones- they start out with nothing and end with everything.
Cussing does not prevent you from making a valid point. I never said that. I merely asked you to stop it as I don't like reading it. Thank you.
....My point exactly. Who are you who are living to speak against those who have been brutally murdered before they had the opportunity you did?
I reiterate that raping is beside the point and an exception. Again, " I'm sure that a moral exception could be made if it weren't in any way the fault of yourself, but I simply cannot pity you if you conceive due to your own choice to have sex. "
"prepaired?" wait, do you mean like arranged marriage?
Although thank you for not cussing this time. Civilized speech is much more enjoyable to read. :)
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