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Sorry to break it to you, but while Western society might be influenced largely by Christian values, the United States is not, has never been, and never will be a "Christian nation".

:pointr:But the founding fathers were Christian!



Sure. A bunch of them were Christians, but many of them were deists. But regardless of their religious beliefs, the fact of the matter is that the Constitution that they formed was deliberately secular.

:pointr:But the Puritans wanted the nation to be Christian!



Neat, but they didn't found America. In fact, the Puritans migrated to America in the 1600s. The United States of America was founded as a separate nation in the late 1700s - (1776)

:pointr:But we say "Under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance! You can't explain that!



Actually, I can. The original Pledge of Allegiance was written in 1892, by a Christian Socialist named Francis Bellamy. Here's the original Pledge:

"I pledge allegiance to my Flag, and the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

The words "under God" weren't actually added to the Pledge until 1954, a move that was made at the height of anti-Communist fervor in the USA as an attempt to link patriotism with religious piety, to distinguish us from the godless Soviets.

:pointr:But - the national motto is "In God We Trust!"



In God We Trust was established as the national motto in 1956, not in 1776! Additionally, this was another example of a reaction to "godless communism," a McCarthy-era action that may violate the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment!

By the way - before the motto was changed in 1956, the national motto used to be "E Pluribus Unum", meaning "One from many." Isn't that a nice little saying? It was suggested in 1776 by Pierre Eugene du Simitiere, to the committee responsible for developing the Seal of the United States. Thank you to ~Kotego for the suggestion!

:pointr:I still don't believe you. The US is totally a Christian nation.



If the United States Constitution isn't enough, never fear. I know that whole "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" bit in the First Amendment is too confusing, there's also the clarification that Thomas Jefferson made to the Danbury Baptists:

"Legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State."

If even that's not enough, I'll direct you to the Treaty of Tripoli, where it states quite directly that:

"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility of Musselmen; and as the said States have never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."

So... guess what. The US isn't a Christian nation.



But that doesn't mean that you can't be happy to be an American. As a matter of fact, the United States Constitution, was a wonderful and ground-breaking model that more than 160 countries have used as a model for their own charters. That's pretty awesome, if you think about it.


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Leeyote Featured By Owner 4 days ago  New Deviant Hobbyist Artist
Here's another fact that proves it.

While our currency says "In God we trust" have you ever thought that maybe there are other religions out there with a God? Just because it says those words, it doesn't say "In Christian God we trust"
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xRibbon-Candyx Featured By Owner Jun 2, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
I always knew the USA wasn't a Christian nation (we have freedom of religion in the USA)
And people saying that it is or should be a Christian nation is basically unconstitutional
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OddGarfield Featured By Owner Feb 22, 2016  Student Interface Designer
It may not be a Christian nation but it has a Christian majority of the population and the Untied States Constitution is based off of the morals of the religion.

Deal With it  
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RedAmerican1945 Featured By Owner Jun 7, 2016
MAjority =/= it being the entire nation, and the statement on the constitution is completely false. 3.bp.blogspot.com/-H21rr6tIvXU…
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CutestSith Featured By Owner Mar 6, 2016
Not really. Jesus said he has come to tear families apart. I don't see that in the U.S law. Besides I just can't really see the logic behind the Constitution being based on Christian morals when it clearly states to keep religion separate. Some Conservatives I've talked to agree with me that they want their religion away from government as far as possible. They don't want America to turn into an Islamic Iran. 
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Akhnaton-II Featured By Owner Mar 3, 2016  Hobbyist Writer
And the religion was based off of the morals of the basic human nature.

And I have proof - in today's world you don't follow each religious rule, you choose to take some of them literally, and the others figuratively, you think that "do not steal", or however it sounds in English, is a law, but I doubt you kill women who cheat on their husbands. When you decide which is which you use your morals formed by evolution, so religion has nothing to do with it.
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CutestSith Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2016
I once had a debate with a Christian fundie who though homosexuality was completely immoral because the Bible told her so and the Bible is the supreme law all should follow. I then pointed out I could abide by her rules and pointed out the Bible tells women to shut up when men tell them to and to be submissive. The conversation died in her favor there. It was glorious. This is the thing about fundies. They pick what they do and do not want from their book.
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OddGarfield Featured By Owner Apr 4, 2016  Student Interface Designer
You should understand that the Holy Bible is a history book of both stories and lessons from events in history. You must read everything in the Holy Bible clearly to understand it.
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CutestSith Featured By Owner Apr 4, 2016
Well I did read it if that makes you feel any better. My opinion on it is... strange to say the least. There are contradictions galore. Some of the morals are wonky and shaky. To give an opinion on what I mean respect the elderly in the bible is near kill the wizards or at least close to it. or that reason is why I think it works best when done for the individual but not for society as a whole and there is also the fact that society may not even be of that faith. I can be hard on faith and I may have disdain for it to some degree however I will always support the right for people to believe what they want to believe as long as its legal of course and abides by the law of the land. For example animal sacrifices are not allowed under freedom of religion. So cultists would have a hard time justify that.

I also oppose state atheism. State atheism is what most think about in the USSR and in China. Where Atheism is made the state law and religion is outlawed. I think that's a rude and foolish notion to do and too extreme. I prefer the method of other Socialist states like Egypt (formerly socialist), Iraq (also formerly socialist), Libya (formerly again), and Syria. Where its state secularism. This basically means that its like the U.S with freedom of religion. So basically I'm content with what the U.S has now. As for what  did with that particular girl. Well she wanted to justify her actions on the Bible. Nothing too wrong except she tried using some of the, let's call them "bad parts." Fair game I can rumble with that. So being the gent that I am I knocked her one and held her to Biblical standards. I pointed out a verse in Timothy 2 that tells women to basically shut their whore mouths and let the men speak. 

It was fair after all. She wanted to go by what the book says directly. I held her to that standard but she didn't stick around to play. That is kinda my point. There is good things in the Bible no doubt. There are also some things we rather forget. Its when the cherry-pickers and hypocrites come out that I take issue. Naturally she didn't want to play anymore and pulled out. Naturally most of the people in life are theists, I am surrounded by theists. I would never want to remove it from anybody or force them to give it up a la Stalin. However if someone is getting a little to prideful or hateful with it I have no remorse in smacking them down. 
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Akhnaton-II Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2016  Hobbyist Writer
:D They just do not know what they are talking about.
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CutestSith Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2016
The funny thing is most of them seem to be clueless and I mean this in the saddest sense. Like they will claim they hate theocracies and actually criticize theocracies like Iran and Arabia but at the same time they will still say the U.S is a Christian nation and should follow the Bible. I always wonder if some of them are that dense. The problem with that is even most religious folk would not be to happy living under a theocracy. I don't see why many oppose secularism when it is secularism that is giving them the right to freely worship as they want. Many of them confuse secularism with atheism when the two are not the same but most atheists are secular. 
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LunaMatsu Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2016  Student Digital Artist
Thank you for this stamp.
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ElAdministrador Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
Yay, now go on with the  progressist caliphathe.
Allahu Akbar, bigots!
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AspiePie Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2016  Student General Artist
.... What dies this have to do with Islam?
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Ninjanerd2 Featured By Owner Dec 10, 2015  Student Photographer
I knew this...cuz Obama is a prick. (This is only meant to offend Obama)
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4-X-S Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
Just because Christianity does not spawn terrorism as some religion, does not mean they deserve more criticism than some religion. You are a hypocrite if you criticizes Christianity without criticizes some religion.
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Ninjanerd2 Featured By Owner Dec 10, 2015  Student Photographer
AGREED.
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GoshiDoll Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
As it should stay that way.
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SimonCaneplz Featured By Owner Oct 20, 2015
Its not BTW, because its free from religion theres also little bit of people who are in other religions.
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topaz-kitty Featured By Owner Sep 19, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
The U.S. Is not a Christian country, it is an everyone country. 
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EmperorPalpitoad Featured By Owner Sep 11, 2015
There are more Christians in the us than in every European country.
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RedAmerican1945 Featured By Owner Jun 7, 2016
So? That still dosent make us a christian nation 3.bp.blogspot.com/-H21rr6tIvXU…
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SatanicCrucifix666 Featured By Owner Oct 23, 2015   Traditional Artist
I want to move to Europe now...
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EmperorPalpitoad Featured By Owner Oct 23, 2015
Uh you do know that there are even less satanists in Europe than the us.
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SatanicCrucifix666 Featured By Owner Oct 23, 2015   Traditional Artist
But there are more retarded Christians here.
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EmperorPalpitoad Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2015
Oh great, now you are just being steriotypical
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SatanicCrucifix666 Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2015   Traditional Artist
Well Christians want to take over the world.
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EmperorPalpitoad Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2015
what idiot told you that?
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SatanicCrucifix666 Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2015   Traditional Artist
Like every single atheist, wiccan, Satanist on the planet. Plus can't you see that Christians cry about EVERYTHING?
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ToastedToast15 Featured By Owner Oct 8, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
But that doesn't mean the U.S. should be a theocracy! Our nation was founded on the separation of church and state, no matter what religion happens to be worshipped by most of its residents.
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EmperorPalpitoad Featured By Owner Oct 9, 2015
Well there were Christains even before the US declared independence.
However, I do agree that the US should not be a theocracy
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ToastedToast15 Featured By Owner Oct 9, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
That doesn't mean it's a Christian nation. You know why? Because nobody ever said it was okay to make laws favoring one religion over another. And, one can argue that before there were Christians here, there were people who practiced non-Christian beliefs. Do you think that they are un-American.
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EmperorPalpitoad Featured By Owner Oct 9, 2015
No.
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ToastedToast15 Featured By Owner Oct 9, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
No? What do you mean, no? All I'm saying is, the Native Americans were here before Christians, and not only that, but the colony of New York, for example, didn't only have Christian Europeans living in it. If you say that America is a Christian nation, you are saying that its laws are supposed to all be based on the Bible. AND, this nation WAS founded on the separation of church and state.
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EmperorPalpitoad Featured By Owner Oct 9, 2015
I don't think it was until the constitution was ratified.
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ToastedToast15 Featured By Owner Oct 9, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Alright, I'll give you that (except for Rhode Island; Rhode Island had separation of church and state from the get-go). But that doesn't mean that all these religious fanatics should be trying to make the laws of a free country reflect their religion and screw over everybody else.
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sushiini Featured By Owner Sep 4, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
People really think that?
dafuq
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SatanicCrucifix666 Featured By Owner Oct 23, 2015   Traditional Artist
Yep, sadly....
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Hatooteh Featured By Owner Aug 22, 2015  Student Artist
It has Muslims atheists and many others
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shyplant Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
And I'm asking myself why isn't my country just like America...
I want to move. ;-;
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Pootis9999 Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2015  Student Writer
Gee, I don't know how people totally think America is not religious. With a saying "In God we trust", "God above us" being in the pledge of allegiance, and the majority of the population being Christian, I can totally see how America is an atheist country.
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bigfluffycow Featured By Owner Jul 9, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
america has no set religion is what this stamp is trying to convey. not that america is an atheist country. and america never will have a set religion.
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Surizarin Featured By Owner Jun 23, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
My American English Literature teacher sometimes would constantly say America is a Protestant nation. Uhhh no. But I would get annoyed of his repetition of it. I didn't think much of how "religious" our country was until after reading this. I'm glad you've linked sources to justify this.
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grimm-girlie Featured By Owner Jun 22, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
I love this stamp
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Commander-Dominic Featured By Owner Jun 20, 2015
So true.
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LostAtSeaOFF Featured By Owner May 23, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I'm pretty sure some states have Morman influences, but if not then feel free to prove me wrong o,0
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catastrophecoffee Featured By Owner May 8, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Do people forget that pilgrims came to this country for religious freedom? As in freedom to practice what they want to practice?
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ToastedToast15 Featured By Owner Oct 8, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yeah, but they actually came because they wanted their religion to be the only one and would punish anyone who didn't agree with them severely. Not the kind of people you'd want to look up to, if you ask me!
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