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Sorry to break it to you, but while Western society might be influenced largely by Christian values, the United States is not, has never been, and never will be a "Christian nation".

:pointr:But the founding fathers were Christian!



Sure. A bunch of them were Christians, but many of them were deists. But regardless of their religious beliefs, the fact of the matter is that the Constitution that they formed was deliberately secular.

:pointr:But the Puritans wanted the nation to be Christian!



Neat, but they didn't found America. In fact, the Puritans migrated to America in the 1600s. The United States of America was founded as a separate nation in the late 1700s - (1776)

:pointr:But we say "Under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance! You can't explain that!



Actually, I can. The original Pledge of Allegiance was written in 1892, by a Christian Socialist named Francis Bellamy. Here's the original Pledge:

"I pledge allegiance to my Flag, and the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

The words "under God" weren't actually added to the Pledge until 1954, a move that was made at the height of anti-Communist fervor in the USA as an attempt to link patriotism with religious piety, to distinguish us from the godless Soviets.

:pointr:But - the national motto is "In God We Trust!"



In God We Trust was established as the national motto in 1956, not in 1776! Additionally, this was another example of a reaction to "godless communism," a McCarthy-era action that may violate the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment!

By the way - before the motto was changed in 1956, the national motto used to be "E Pluribus Unum", meaning "One from many." Isn't that a nice little saying? It was suggested in 1776 by Pierre Eugene du Simitiere, to the committee responsible for developing the Seal of the United States. Thank you to ~Kotego for the suggestion!

:pointr:I still don't believe you. The US is totally a Christian nation.



If the United States Constitution isn't enough, never fear. I know that whole "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" bit in the First Amendment is too confusing, there's also the clarification that Thomas Jefferson made to the Danbury Baptists:

"Legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State."

If even that's not enough, I'll direct you to the Treaty of Tripoli, where it states quite directly that:

"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility of Musselmen; and as the said States have never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."

So... guess what. The US isn't a Christian nation.



But that doesn't mean that you can't be happy to be an American. As a matter of fact, the United States Constitution, was a wonderful and ground-breaking model that more than 160 countries have used as a model for their own charters. That's pretty awesome, if you think about it.


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FireNationPhoenix Featured By Owner 4 days ago  Hobbyist Filmographer
yeah that is true
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MuteStorm Featured By Owner Apr 9, 2015
I kinda.. normally thought it was a Jewish nation... :P
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TheJourneyTaker Featured By Owner Edited Sep 10, 2014
This country was built on Christian beliefs. That's something you can't argue against.
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GhostOfAnIdiot Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2015   Artist
No. It was founded on secular beliefs. The founding fathers wanted this nation to be a safe haven where its citizens have the right to be a part of any religion (or not have any religious beliefs at all) they want. This is supported by the First Amendment. 
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SherbertTCat Featured By Owner Aug 7, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
"Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. The mere politician, equally with the pious man, ought to respect and to cherish them. A volume could not trace all their connections with private and public felicity. Let it simply be asked: Where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths which are the instruments of investigation in courts of justice ? And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.", George Washington 1796
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ProfessorPsychopath Featured By Owner May 31, 2014
Most of the founding fathers we not religious at all, they were actually deists (meaning they thought there was a creator god, but he doesn’t interfere with our universe).
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Masked-Dolls Featured By Owner Apr 11, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I'll be honest.. the religion I had the most annoying experiences with is Christianity. They can be so damn stubborn.
Even more annoying that most of them refuse to consider this stamp. I guess its their "have faith" requirement.
And every time you say at least ONE word that opposes their beliefs, they have to turn a regular, fun conversation into a stupid religious debate, For example, I think we all know what happens when you walk up to a Christian and simply say "Evolution"....

No offense to anyone, just babbling my opinion. >-<
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Masked-Dolls Featured By Owner Apr 11, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
cross that out, "opinions" are for cowards.
Yeah, if you guys can read, I said the Christians I'VE met are way too extreme. Nevermind. Screw avoiding arguments. You can read. >-<
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AntiRCCZealot Featured By Owner Mar 22, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
Those who say it is a Christian nation are deranged fanatics that want to turn the country into theocracy. Basically the Christian equivalent of Saudi Arabia or Iran. o.O And that's a very, very TERRIBLE idea and something's gotta be done about it were that to happen. 

And I am a Christian myself.... (who strongly advocates the separation of church and state and legalization of same-sex marriage. Abortion, on the other hand... well, I won't say I am against it, but there's a lot I wanna talk about it, so I am gonna pass that one). 
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MadameSceptilite Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
*sigh* theres so much hate for Christians saying were "close minded and jugdgy" to be honest, I agree with this stamp. America is NOT a Christian nation. we were simply founded on Christian beliefs, but sadly....that went away over time :( I hope we can go back to where everyone knew god
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ProfessorPsychopath Featured By Owner May 31, 2014
WRONG, this country was founded by deists, not Christians. And the fact you want everyone to “go back” to being Christian and having Christian beliefs and morals, just proves that you are closed minded and huffy you are. I’m not saying that all Christians are, but most are, including you.
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MadameSceptilite Featured By Owner Jun 1, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm merely stating what I wish would happen. I never truely said we MUST go back to a "Christian nation."
You'll have to pardon me for having an opinion.
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ProfessorPsychopath Featured By Owner Jun 1, 2014
It’s not that I have a problem with you having an opinion. I have a problem with you having the wrong opinion.
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ssjdah Featured By Owner Sep 4, 2013
I think USA should become  a Deist nation  like it's founders , this will fix all the shit that Evangelical Christians fucked up from Wars ,Hate,brainwashing,Ignorance ,evil propaganda etc...
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Komatsuzaki-Xingqi Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Technically, no. There is no national religion. The majority of Americans seem to be Christian, whether devout or in-name-only. I see no problem with Christian symbols like the Ten Commandments be on display on government grounds (t10C isn't strictly Christian, is it not?), as long as symbols from other religions and creeds are allowed as well. 
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CypressBranch Featured By Owner Aug 30, 2013
Exactly.
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ShinobiFrost Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
this is probably  gonna piss off a bunch of people but out of personal experience and think that christianity is THE worst religion... That's just what i've concluded out of experiences I've had with even my own dad and other christains.
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crazyforchocobos Featured By Owner Oct 8, 2013
It's one of the many religions that has the misfortunes of having the most morons in it and the morons I had experience with were my grade school teachers who all wanted us to live like it was the dark ages-and as an added bonus they had no credentials.
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PoliticalViolet Featured By Owner Jul 25, 2013   General Artist
I agree... and I'm Christian
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Quoth143 Featured By Owner Jul 19, 2013  Student Digital Artist
In my opinion, I really can't blame religion itself, after all it is just a few stories. It's the people that take it to the extreme that are to blame.
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RMXTrailMix Featured By Owner Sep 2, 2013

"In my opinion,..."

A true skeptic would never say that, however a poser atheist would.

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Quoth143 Featured By Owner Sep 2, 2013  Student Digital Artist
And a nitpicker would say what you just said. 
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RMXTrailMix Featured By Owner Sep 2, 2013
Aww, que linda la pendejita ^-^
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Quoth143 Featured By Owner Sep 2, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Also, I never said I was an atheist. 
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ShinobiFrost Featured By Owner Jul 19, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I think it's he worst religion because of the people who follow it. There are SOEM quiet ones like my classmates, but most adults like whipping it out and blah blah blah.. it's... I tried to explain to my dad why I don't like religion and it didn't work.
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Quoth143 Featured By Owner Jul 20, 2013  Student Digital Artist
There are extremists for many religions and there will always be extremists, but as I said, religion itself is just a lot of stories that people can and will take to the extreme. 
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Blackestfang Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Half of my friends a either atheist or satianest (can't spell). But they are some of the nicest people you will ever meet.
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RMXTrailMix Featured By Owner Sep 2, 2013

I had a Satanist friend when I was in Junior High, he turned out to be a great friend. However, every atheist I come across always turn out to have an unhealthy sense of entitlement, along with short fuses. Knowing what I do, I'd rather have a skeptic for a friend than an atheist.

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Blackestfang Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I am an atheist but I do respect that people do chose to fallow a god. My short temper is from a child hood of nonstop harssment, besides I don't run around telling everyone I am one but since you said you wouldn't want an atheist friend and I thought I would let you know that their not all assholes.
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scourge1212 Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2013
YES WE ARE DONT SAY THAT ABOUT US YOUR PROB NOT WHY WOULD YOU SAY THAT SOME POEPLE ARE IN THE USA SO SHUT UP UNTIL YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT!!!!!!!!!!!
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KrisCynical Featured By Owner Sep 26, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Incoherent capslock raging is always the best way to make people take you seriously. 
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MedusaArt Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2013  Student General Artist

If you don't like it don't comment.

By the way, where's your proof? And typing in all caps won't get you to be taken seriously.

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RMXTrailMix Featured By Owner Sep 2, 2013

There is no proof in science, only demonstration of facts.

Only a poser would go around asking for proof, and only a sheep would claim to have proof.

 

 

The only science that deals in proofs is Math; if you are looking for proof I suggest you look there.

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MedusaArt Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2013  Student General Artist
This conversation was not about proof of science, it was about proof that America is apparently a Christian nation. (Which it's not.)
I advise you to actually read a conversation before you jump into it.
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Limnoria Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2013
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:|  You may have a medulla oblongata, but not a brain.  How pitiful.
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PoliticalViolet Featured By Owner Jul 25, 2013   General Artist
I think you're the one who doesn't know what they're talking about, hun. Also, learn some spelling and grammar, kk?
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8manderz8 Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
If you've got some proof that shows that the US is a Christian nation, then supply it. Screaming at me to shut up proves nothing.
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scourge1212 Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2013
shut up
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GhostOfAnIdiot Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2013   Artist
I love how you tell her to 'shut up' when she asked you for evidence proving that the U.S. is a Christian nation. By the way, it's not a Christian nation.
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MedusaArt Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2013  Student General Artist
Oh yeah, telling someone to shut up is TOTALLY going to prove your point.
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andshedreamed Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2013  Student Photographer
Can't tell if you are a troll or really stupid.
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scourge1212 Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2013
I don't know if u should go to hell or just burn in pain
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andshedreamed Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2013  Student Photographer
Yup, you're a troll.
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scourge1212 Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2013
idc
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TheEye15 Featured By Owner Jul 7, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
With the description by itself I could take down my local church once and for all. This overrides all of their arguments. Probably because this is the truth and their argument is from a riddle book :)
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Ask-Insane-Immortal Featured By Owner Jul 7, 2013  Student Artist
My friends say NEVER to live in the USA 'cause it isn't protected state, but i don't listen to them, i always say "I won't listen to you, i want to follow my dreams,", cause the place that i live in, its called Calgary. Everyone there is mostly mean, the curse about nonsence! i say "The more portected Calgary is, the more boring it gets."
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Tandenfee Featured By Owner Jul 6, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
The Netherlands is a "christian" country... but 52% is athe´st, 10-15% is muslim, and another 5-10% is mix of jews, buddhists, hindu, etc. So that leaves about 30% christians, and only 10% of them attend churches regularly. So whether or not most people are christian doesn't matter, it's just because we are for some reason registrated as christian. We do have a separation of state and church, but our queen for example is a christian. And we have christian political parties (3 of them, from the 10 that we have)
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Razerade Featured By Owner Jun 29, 2013
GUESS WHAT FUCK YOU
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:iconmedusaart:
MedusaArt Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2013  Student General Artist
That's a great way to be taken seriously. Type in all caps and say "fuck you" to the creator of this stamp.
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