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Sorry to break it to you, but while Western society might be influenced largely by Christian values, the United States is not, has never been, and never will be a "Christian nation".

:pointr:But the founding fathers were Christian!



Sure. A bunch of them were Christians, but many of them were deists. But regardless of their religious beliefs, the fact of the matter is that the Constitution that they formed was deliberately secular.

:pointr:But the Puritans wanted the nation to be Christian!



Neat, but they didn't found America. In fact, the Puritans migrated to America in the 1600s. The United States of America was founded as a separate nation in the late 1700s - (1776)

:pointr:But we say "Under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance! You can't explain that!



Actually, I can. The original Pledge of Allegiance was written in 1892, by a Christian Socialist named Francis Bellamy. Here's the original Pledge:

"I pledge allegiance to my Flag, and the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

The words "under God" weren't actually added to the Pledge until 1954, a move that was made at the height of anti-Communist fervor in the USA as an attempt to link patriotism with religious piety, to distinguish us from the godless Soviets.

:pointr:But - the national motto is "In God We Trust!"



In God We Trust was established as the national motto in 1956, not in 1776! Additionally, this was another example of a reaction to "godless communism," a McCarthy-era action that may violate the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment!

By the way - before the motto was changed in 1956, the national motto used to be "E Pluribus Unum", meaning "One from many." Isn't that a nice little saying? It was suggested in 1776 by Pierre Eugene du Simitiere, to the committee responsible for developing the Seal of the United States. Thank you to ~Kotego for the suggestion!

:pointr:I still don't believe you. The US is totally a Christian nation.



If the United States Constitution isn't enough, never fear. I know that whole "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" bit in the First Amendment is too confusing, there's also the clarification that Thomas Jefferson made to the Danbury Baptists:

"Legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State."

If even that's not enough, I'll direct you to the Treaty of Tripoli, where it states quite directly that:

"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility of Musselmen; and as the said States have never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."

So... guess what. The US isn't a Christian nation.



But that doesn't mean that you can't be happy to be an American. As a matter of fact, the United States Constitution, was a wonderful and ground-breaking model that more than 160 countries have used as a model for their own charters. That's pretty awesome, if you think about it.


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:iconlunamatsu:
LunaMatsu Featured By Owner 6 days ago  Student Digital Artist
Thank you for this stamp.
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ElAdministrador Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
Yay, now go on with the  progressist caliphathe.
Allahu Akbar, bigots!
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:iconaspiepie:
AspiePie Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2016  Student General Artist
.... What dies this have to do with Islam?
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:iconninjanerd2:
Ninjanerd2 Featured By Owner Dec 10, 2015  Student Photographer
I knew this...cuz Obama is a prick. (This is only meant to offend Obama)
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4-X-S Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
Just because Christianity does not spawn terrorism as some religion, does not mean they deserve more criticism than some religion. You are a hypocrite if you criticizes Christianity without criticizes some religion.
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Ninjanerd2 Featured By Owner Dec 10, 2015  Student Photographer
AGREED.
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GoshiDoll Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
As it should stay that way.
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SimonCaneplz Featured By Owner Oct 20, 2015
Its not BTW, because its free from religion theres also little bit of people who are in other religions.
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topaz-kitty Featured By Owner Sep 19, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
The U.S. Is not a Christian country, it is an everyone country. 
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:iconemperorpalpitoad:
EmperorPalpitoad Featured By Owner Sep 11, 2015
There are more Christians in the us than in every European country.
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SatanicCrucifix666 Featured By Owner Oct 23, 2015   Traditional Artist
I want to move to Europe now...
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:iconemperorpalpitoad:
EmperorPalpitoad Featured By Owner Oct 23, 2015
Uh you do know that there are even less satanists in Europe than the us.
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SatanicCrucifix666 Featured By Owner Oct 23, 2015   Traditional Artist
But there are more retarded Christians here.
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:iconemperorpalpitoad:
EmperorPalpitoad Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2015
Oh great, now you are just being steriotypical
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SatanicCrucifix666 Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2015   Traditional Artist
Well Christians want to take over the world.
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:iconemperorpalpitoad:
EmperorPalpitoad Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2015
what idiot told you that?
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:iconsataniccrucifix666:
SatanicCrucifix666 Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2015   Traditional Artist
Like every single atheist, wiccan, Satanist on the planet. Plus can't you see that Christians cry about EVERYTHING?
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ToastedToast15 Featured By Owner Oct 8, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
But that doesn't mean the U.S. should be a theocracy! Our nation was founded on the separation of church and state, no matter what religion happens to be worshipped by most of its residents.
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EmperorPalpitoad Featured By Owner Oct 9, 2015
Well there were Christains even before the US declared independence.
However, I do agree that the US should not be a theocracy
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:icontoastedtoast15:
ToastedToast15 Featured By Owner Oct 9, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
That doesn't mean it's a Christian nation. You know why? Because nobody ever said it was okay to make laws favoring one religion over another. And, one can argue that before there were Christians here, there were people who practiced non-Christian beliefs. Do you think that they are un-American.
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:iconemperorpalpitoad:
EmperorPalpitoad Featured By Owner Oct 9, 2015
No.
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:icontoastedtoast15:
ToastedToast15 Featured By Owner Oct 9, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
No? What do you mean, no? All I'm saying is, the Native Americans were here before Christians, and not only that, but the colony of New York, for example, didn't only have Christian Europeans living in it. If you say that America is a Christian nation, you are saying that its laws are supposed to all be based on the Bible. AND, this nation WAS founded on the separation of church and state.
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:iconemperorpalpitoad:
EmperorPalpitoad Featured By Owner Oct 9, 2015
I don't think it was until the constitution was ratified.
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:icontoastedtoast15:
ToastedToast15 Featured By Owner Oct 9, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Alright, I'll give you that (except for Rhode Island; Rhode Island had separation of church and state from the get-go). But that doesn't mean that all these religious fanatics should be trying to make the laws of a free country reflect their religion and screw over everybody else.
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sushiini Featured By Owner Sep 4, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
People really think that?
dafuq
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SatanicCrucifix666 Featured By Owner Oct 23, 2015   Traditional Artist
Yep, sadly....
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Hatooteh Featured By Owner Aug 22, 2015  Student Artist
It has Muslims atheists and many others
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:iconl00k-das-a-pie:
l00k-das-a-pie Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
And I'm asking myself why isn't my country just like America...
I want to move. ;-;
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Pootis9999 Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2015  Student Writer
Gee, I don't know how people totally think America is not religious. With a saying "In God we trust", "God above us" being in the pledge of allegiance, and the majority of the population being Christian, I can totally see how America is an atheist country.
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big-fluffy-cow Featured By Owner Jul 9, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
america has no set religion is what this stamp is trying to convey. not that america is an atheist country. and america never will have a set religion.
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Surizarin Featured By Owner Jun 23, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
My American English Literature teacher sometimes would constantly say America is a Protestant nation. Uhhh no. But I would get annoyed of his repetition of it. I didn't think much of how "religious" our country was until after reading this. I'm glad you've linked sources to justify this.
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grimm-girlie Featured By Owner Jun 22, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
I love this stamp
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Commander-Dominic Featured By Owner Jun 20, 2015
So true.
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Captain-Purdy Featured By Owner May 23, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm pretty sure some states have Morman influences, but if not then feel free to prove me wrong o,0
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catastrophecoffee Featured By Owner May 8, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Do people forget that pilgrims came to this country for religious freedom? As in freedom to practice what they want to practice?
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:icontoastedtoast15:
ToastedToast15 Featured By Owner Oct 8, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yeah, but they actually came because they wanted their religion to be the only one and would punish anyone who didn't agree with them severely. Not the kind of people you'd want to look up to, if you ask me!
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goninja Featured By Owner May 15, 2015  Student General Artist
Yeah.
It's just push back from atheists.
I get it though.
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LaTexiana Featured By Owner May 16, 2015  Student Digital Artist
"It's just push back from atheists."

As an atheist, I'd just like to say one thing in response to this accusation... FINALLY!!! It's about god damn time someone reminded the majority of Americans that the government is a secular institution and that the US Constitution protects both freedom of religion and freedom from religion! :) 
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ToastedToast15 Featured By Owner Oct 8, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
And about the first guys "point" that all the Pilgrims wanted was to be able to worship as the chose. That is only half true. The Pilgrims were Puritans, and the Puritans were infamous for shoving their religion down everyone's throat. Seriously, they hated everyone who didn't believe in their exact religion, and not only that, but they probably harmed the disabled psychologically by telling them that they were evil because of their disability. Anyone who didn't fit their mold of "perfection" was considered a sinner who deserved to die and burn in hell for all eternity.

***passive aggression begins***
But hey, it's cool, I can see that they had to be extremely closed-minded, hateful, and judgmental to have "freedom to practice their religion."
***passive aggression ends***
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fuckshiru Featured By Owner May 8, 2015   Digital Artist
If anything, Canada is a "Christian Nation"
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SatanicCrucifix666 Featured By Owner Oct 23, 2015   Traditional Artist
How come?
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FireNationPhoenix Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2015  Professional Traditional Artist
yeah that is true
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MuteStorm Featured By Owner Apr 9, 2015
I kinda.. normally thought it was a Jewish nation... :P
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:iconlatexiana:
LaTexiana Featured By Owner May 16, 2015  Student Digital Artist
It has more Jews than Israel ;)
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TheJourneyTaker Featured By Owner Edited Sep 10, 2014
This country was built on Christian beliefs. That's something you can't argue against.
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GhostOfAnIdiot Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2015   Artist
No. It was founded on secular beliefs. The founding fathers wanted this nation to be a safe haven where its citizens have the right to be a part of any religion (or not have any religious beliefs at all) they want. This is supported by the First Amendment. 
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SherbertTCat Featured By Owner Aug 7, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
"Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. The mere politician, equally with the pious man, ought to respect and to cherish them. A volume could not trace all their connections with private and public felicity. Let it simply be asked: Where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths which are the instruments of investigation in courts of justice ? And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.", George Washington 1796
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AspiePie Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2016  Student General Artist
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religiou… I could find anything about your quote except on conspiracy sites.. But I did find writings linking him with Deism on Wiki? 
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LaTexiana Featured By Owner Edited May 16, 2015  Student Digital Artist
I believe that he was pointing out the necessity of religion in keeping a mostly uneducated population of farmers and sailors in line.
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