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Stamp: Guess What. by 8manderz8 Stamp: Guess What. by 8manderz8

Sorry to break it to you, but while Western society might be influenced largely by Christian values, the United States is not, has never been, and never will be a "Christian nation".

:pointr:But the founding fathers were Christian!

Sure. A bunch of them were Christians, but many of them were deists. But regardless of their religious beliefs, the fact of the matter is that the Constitution that they formed was deliberately secular.

:pointr:But the Puritans wanted the nation to be Christian!

Neat, but they didn't found America. In fact, the Puritans migrated to America in the 1600s. The United States of America was founded as a separate nation in the late 1700s - (1776)

:pointr:But we say "Under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance! You can't explain that!

Actually, I can. The original Pledge of Allegiance was written in 1892, by a Christian Socialist named Francis Bellamy. Here's the original Pledge:

"I pledge allegiance to my Flag, and the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

The words "under God" weren't actually added to the Pledge until 1954, a move that was made at the height of anti-Communist fervor in the USA as an attempt to link patriotism with religious piety, to distinguish us from the godless Soviets.

:pointr:But - the national motto is "In God We Trust!"

In God We Trust was established as the national motto in 1956, not in 1776! Additionally, this was another example of a reaction to "godless communism," a McCarthy-era action that may violate the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment!

By the way - before the motto was changed in 1956, the national motto used to be "E Pluribus Unum", meaning "One from many." Isn't that a nice little saying? It was suggested in 1776 by Pierre Eugene du Simitiere, to the committee responsible for developing the Seal of the United States. Thank you to ~Kotego for the suggestion!

:pointr:I still don't believe you. The US is totally a Christian nation.

If the United States Constitution isn't enough, never fear. I know that whole "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" bit in the First Amendment is too confusing, there's also the clarification that Thomas Jefferson made to the Danbury Baptists:

"Legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State."

If even that's not enough, I'll direct you to the Treaty of Tripoli, where it states quite directly that:

"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility of Musselmen; and as the said States have never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."

So... guess what. The US isn't a Christian nation.

But that doesn't mean that you can't be happy to be an American. As a matter of fact, the United States Constitution, was a wonderful and ground-breaking model that more than 160 countries have used as a model for their own charters. That's pretty awesome, if you think about it.

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This country was built on Christian beliefs. That's something you can't argue against.
SherbertTCat Featured By Owner Aug 7, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
"Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. The mere politician, equally with the pious man, ought to respect and to cherish them. A volume could not trace all their connections with private and public felicity. Let it simply be asked: Where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths which are the instruments of investigation in courts of justice ? And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.", George Washington 1796
ProfessorPsychopath Featured By Owner May 31, 2014
Most of the founding fathers we not religious at all, they were actually deists (meaning they thought there was a creator god, but he doesn’t interfere with our universe).
Masked-Dolls Featured By Owner Apr 11, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I'll be honest.. the religion I had the most annoying experiences with is Christianity. They can be so damn stubborn.
Even more annoying that most of them refuse to consider this stamp. I guess its their "have faith" requirement.
And every time you say at least ONE word that opposes their beliefs, they have to turn a regular, fun conversation into a stupid religious debate, For example, I think we all know what happens when you walk up to a Christian and simply say "Evolution"....

No offense to anyone, just babbling my opinion. >-<
Masked-Dolls Featured By Owner Apr 11, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
cross that out, "opinions" are for cowards.
Yeah, if you guys can read, I said the Christians I'VE met are way too extreme. Nevermind. Screw avoiding arguments. You can read. >-<
AntiRCCZealot Featured By Owner Mar 22, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
Those who say it is a Christian nation are deranged fanatics that want to turn the country into theocracy. Basically the Christian equivalent of Saudi Arabia or Iran. o.O And that's a very, very TERRIBLE idea and something's gotta be done about it were that to happen. 

And I am a Christian myself.... (who strongly advocates the separation of church and state and legalization of same-sex marriage. Abortion, on the other hand... well, I won't say I am against it, but there's a lot I wanna talk about it, so I am gonna pass that one). 
XwingedAngel Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
*sigh* theres so much hate for Christians saying were "close minded and jugdgy" to be honest, I agree with this stamp. America is NOT a Christian nation. we were simply founded on Christian beliefs, but sadly....that went away over time :( I hope we can go back to where everyone knew god
ProfessorPsychopath Featured By Owner May 31, 2014
WRONG, this country was founded by deists, not Christians. And the fact you want everyone to “go back” to being Christian and having Christian beliefs and morals, just proves that you are closed minded and huffy you are. I’m not saying that all Christians are, but most are, including you.
XwingedAngel Featured By Owner Jun 1, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm merely stating what I wish would happen. I never truely said we MUST go back to a "Christian nation."
You'll have to pardon me for having an opinion.
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