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I do not believe that it would be morally acceptable for me (me, myself, personally) to raise whatever children I do end up having to be religious in any way. I was not raised 'forced' to believe -- slightly suggested was more like it -- and I think I turned out just fine.

Now, that's not to say I'm not going to expose my children to the many different religions out there. Religions are very interesting things. I think they're worth having a look at. I would like to show them these different faiths, while at the same time making sure they know that people all over the world believe many different things, and that while these things are interesting and fun to think and talk about, they cannot all be true.

When my kids get to an age where they can decide for themselves what they want to believe, then I'll go on from there. If the end up Christian,Hindu, Pagan, Jewish, Muslim, Atheist... then that's their decision, and I will want them to know that I support them no matter what.

So don't think that I'm an evil atheist who is going to force my children to NOT believe, just don't think that I'm going to force them TO believe anything supernatural in particular, either.

As a side note - While I was taking a shower today I had a fun little idea - Science Sunday School! There really aren't any Sunday School options for... well. Atheists. But it'd be really neat to see someone put together a Sunday School program for children interested in science and stuff -- regardless of faith. How awesome would that be?


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I should also add that NO. I am not trying to make science into a religion. I can see how my previous wording could have been mistaken by someone not really paying attention the the whole paragraph. That's okay, I'm used to people taking quotes out of context and trying to use them to justify silliness.

Science is obviously not a religion. Sunday School, as I experienced it, was mostly about creating community and friends, while still learning and enjoying something that we had a common interest in -- in that case, yes, it was God. But the difference here is that I do not worship science, and that accepting children of other faiths into whatever science club would come would NOT be about religious experience. You can enjoy science while still being of X, Y, and Z faith.

The point of said school would be to encourage an interest in science - something that America desperately will need of its youth if it wants to continue to compete in the world economy in the future. That's the way I see it.

Additionally - I could call it a "Sunday Science Club," but you know what? Nah. I'm going to stick with School. Because Christianity does not have a monopoly on Sunday activities, they do not own the words "Sunday" or "School," and you know what? S.S.S. looks way cooler than S.S.C. It even sounds more bad-ass, like a snake or something.

You know what, I'm totally going to go through with this when I move back to the US. And our mascot will be the snakes. I'll make billboards and post them on the sides of the roads so that everyone will be forced to look at them, too. And if your kid is too busy going to Church to attend this bad-ass super sweet Sunday Science School, then that's too bad. The rest of the Super Sweet Sunday Science School Snakes and I will be doing Science and not giving a single damn, because that's just how we roll.

SCIENCE SNAKES FO LYFE (But only the one life, because the majority of us will probably not believe in an afterlife. Although some might, but still, it's worth mentioning that there is probably no God, just to piss you off.)


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Adding on some fun things for certain people:

The Jefferson Bible - Thomas Jefferson's version of the New Testament wherein he removed all sections of the four gospels which contain the Resurrection, most miracles, passages indicating that Jesus was divine, and most mentions of the supernatural.

Thomas Jefferson - one of America's founding fathers. Was a Christian in name, however held deistic views. Insisted on the separation of Church and State on several different occasions.

Deism - the belief that reason and observation of the natural world are sufficient to determine the existence of God, accompanied with the rejection of revelation and authority as a source of religious knowledge. Deism became prominent in the 17th and 18th centuries during the Age of Enlightenment among intellectuals raised as Christians who believed in one god, but found fault with organized religion and could not believe in supernatural events such as miracles, the inerrancy of scriptures, or the Trinity.

Christian Fundamentalism - a movement within Protestantism upholding a literal reading of the Bible. Fundamentalists fight against things like evolution because it contradicts their warm fuzzy feelings about God popping everything into existence as-is (despite evidence that supports the Theory of Evolution), and are viewed by many as intolerant, narrow-minded, and obscurantist.

Creationism - the religious belief that humanity, life, the Earth, and the universe are the creation of a supernatural being, usually the Abrahamic flavour of God. Despite mounds of evidence that is in support of evolution, and an enormous LACK of evidence for creationism, people still cling to this way of thinking because, because God! And Jesus! Tide goes in, tide goes out! You can't explain that!

Atheism - the rejection of belief in the existence of deities. That's it. Seriously.



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:iconmenollysagittaria:
MenollySagittaria Featured By Owner 2 days ago  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Yeah, even though I'm a big religion (of any kind) enthusiast, I don't want to have serious discussions about it with kids I may adopt or have until they're about 6 or 7. That's a major milestone in development where the average measurable brainwaves rise in frequency and according to psychology, unconscious conditioning more or less ends. 

"A thousand years is to a day to God" -Isaiah. Hmmm, sounds like a blueprint for the "day" model of the creation story, to me. 

"Atheism" also rejects any kind of supernatural phenomena, or quantum mechanics related to it and consciousness, even in the face of evidence. In reality, what most people mean when they say "atheist" is also a Newtonian Materialist. They erroneously conflate a belief in a "god" being with anything and everything supernatural, large or small. Many atheists would not accept a Buddhist or a non-theistic Hindu into their ranks, for example, even though they, too, do not believe in an entity running the world, the supposed "strict" definition of atheism, and scientific inquiry at least backs up benefits of their meditation techniques. 

Really, I think you're being an intentional instigator with the snake bit. Why not Science Salamanders? That's a more fun word to say anyway. Salamander salamander salamander, heehee.
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xXDidnyWorlXx Featured By Owner Aug 23, 2015  Student Digital Artist
shoving religion down anyone's throat is wrong i believe in God not only because i grew up in it but because my morals and opinions are based on the bible before i even read it.im a pacifist because Christianity is supposed to be peaceful and i hate violence
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blustery-stars Featured By Owner Aug 17, 2015  Student Digital Artist
i don't even want kids
but you're right
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Wixi-Pixie Featured By Owner Jul 13, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
I feel SO glad that my parents did not force me into atheism!!!  Although I am an atheist, when I was 3-4, some Christians, which I do not remember who they were, tried to FORCE ME TO BECOME A CHRISTIAN.  What the hell.  I didn't even know what a God was until I was 5-6!
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Lucario1d4 Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2015
I believe in God and I will tell my kids (( if I get to have some )) of its possible existence but I'll leave them to believe whatever they want :P
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MrsRaganJ3T Featured By Owner Jul 4, 2015  Student General Artist
My mom did that to me and because of it I gave her a hard time for years, but eventually I started to believe on God on my own. I vowed to myself to never force my kids to be a Christian.
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Warboss-Skrutch Featured By Owner Jun 27, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
But you'll probably force them into being 100% progressive faggots amrite?
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HatsuneMikari Featured By Owner Jun 28, 2015  Student General Artist
Yezzum
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RedAmerican1945 Featured By Owner Jun 27, 2015
Or maybe she'll give them the chance to chose their path unlike many christian families that if their children chose to be an Atheist kick them out of their families or at worse abuse them. I was lucky to be born into a liberal Catholic family, when I came out as Bi and an Atheist they loved me the same as always.  
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Warboss-Skrutch Featured By Owner Jun 28, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
You have a polish surname huh? Makes me cringe when I see you hold communist/socialist ideologies.
Or maybe she'll push atheism and liberal propaganda on their ass, making them bigots right from the get go and then call them "free thinking" - don't be fucking stupid, people like you call everyone close-minded while they would prefer to put their hands in a jar of acid than admit that conservatives can be right more often on political and economic level.
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RedAmerican1945 Featured By Owner Jun 28, 2015
Yes a lot of my families heritage is form poland, I know that the communist regime in Poland was nothing more but a soviet satellite. Just because i'm a socialist doesn't mean i'm authoritarian. Actually i'm anything but that i'm a Libertarian Socialist, also i'm open to any idea for which evidence is given. If someone gives me undeniable proof that god is real i'll worship that god, but so far no solid evidence. Also let me be frank here the republicans have fucked this nation quite a bit, bush came into office with a surplus and led us to another economic crash, he invade Iraq a nation that had nothing to do with 9/11. He made torture legal and toke away our privacy with the patriot act. Obama still keep the patriot act, got out of Iraq (only to go back to it) made a deal to slow down Iran's nuclear process, killed Bin Laden and the economy has gotten better, but mostly only for the top percent. Which is why I don't really like Obama as much as I use to. Conservatives from what i've seen only give a shit about pleasing a few supper rich cock suckers so they can live a bit better and fuck our lives more, democrats while not as bad still have this problem too. The only conservative I somewhat like is Rand Paul but mostly for his libertarian principles, he even said that the republicans were most to blame for our decline as a nation.
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Warboss-Skrutch Featured By Owner Jun 28, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
You give me big words, big events, alot of blame yet I don't see any solid solution that would solve the economic crisis and depression America has got itself into.
What I hate about most of the voters, which I don't know if I can label you as, is choosing politicians based on miniscule things and opinions the person represents "Oh he's for abortion, oh he's for the gun legalisation" etcetera. It's ridiculous, and the politicians in exchange are supposed to be public service while they bitch about miniscule things like payroll tax when their government is about to colapse, just my opinion and something people should realise.
Let me continue going on what I was talking about in the first place. Though the topic I was talking about is a bit different it's connected to why America is getting fucked right now, they focused on miniscule issues or issues focusing on society, only making some cosmetic changes to their economy, while both parties fucked up I'd go for Republicans if I'd want the economy to be back on feet, one of the reasons the economy got fucked when Republicans got more power over Democrats is because they put restrictions on them not letting them make proper changes to economy so they could make the market more loose, it's hard to try to get economy rolling once again while people shut down every solution you try to present. These are the main issues and problems America's government is facing, they either focus on small problems or don't let each other work. I don't even care for Iraq, Bin Laden etc. - extremists can suck my cock so fuck 'em.
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RedAmerican1945 Featured By Owner Jun 28, 2015
Quite frankly this nation needs a good dosage of Democratic Socialism, Bernie Sanders in my opinion is the best choice for presidency. Things like cutting the military, ending the war on drugs, and getting out of the middle east will help our nations economy. He also made a plan that would give american students tuition free college by proposing a tax on wall street. Lazie fare capitalism will destroy this nation if we let it lose like we did before. 
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Warboss-Skrutch Featured By Owner Jun 28, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
You do realise it's not as easy as cutting few fundings and increasing taxes right? You sound like you are economicaly illiterate, what's your degree/title?
"Cutting the military" - there's more profit in war than you can imagine, you are just taking one screw out of the broken machine to put it elsewhere.
"Ending the war on drugs" - not going to happen and should not happen, the weed is all good but what of other, harder drugs? You want people to make decisions on their own, while not realising their decisions may be hasty and may destroy them and others. People are irresponsible, and letting idiots loose with drugs would be plain idiotic.
"Getting out of the middle east" - same point as earlier

So you want to tax the rich to help the poor? I'm against all the entitlements poor people get because it simply makes them lazy. One of your responsibilities as a citizen is to pay taxes and serve your country, not leech off of it and then demand more. Besides, increase the tax on rich people and/or on the market and either they will move their business out of America or find other, more profitable ways of making money. Don't try to be a leech on succesful people just because they are successful, most of poor people are poor because they are lazy or irresponsible.
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RedAmerican1945 Featured By Owner Jun 28, 2015
I'm done with this conversation, quite frankly I am in no mode to debate politics or economics, were both completely different and seemingly were not going to change our minds. 
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LyricaDeCleff Featured By Owner Jun 24, 2015  New Deviant Student Traditional Artist
I believe in God, but I'm not a full-fledged Christian either. I don't go to church EVERY Sunday, and I don't really get in on the bible lessons either. Jesus forgived us of our sins by dying on the cross. That's it. 
But I do respect people with different opinions on religion.
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RedAmerican1945 Featured By Owner Jun 27, 2015
We need more Christians like you in this world :) 
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LyricaDeCleff Featured By Owner Jun 28, 2015  New Deviant Student Traditional Artist
Thanks, and I agree. :)
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NeneSims Featured By Owner Jun 18, 2015
I think I don't even believe in god
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mackie0607 Featured By Owner Jun 17, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
If I even have kids in the future. uvub
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TheTrueMadHatter Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2015  Student General Artist
 //People will force their belief unknowingly. 
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wingedoracle Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2015
My family forces me to be Christian, when I want to be ATHEIST!
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xgames555 Featured By Owner Apr 29, 2015
you cant be forced into religion , its what you believe

if you dont believe then they cant control that
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Linkzilla Featured By Owner May 30, 2015
But the thing about it is - Coming from a Christian Family myself -
they think they can BEAT, and INTIMIDATE, and FORCE you to believe whatever they want...
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:iconvocaloid-rana:
rainbowchild. YES. THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT.

My only pet peeve is when people try to force religion on me. I was raised as a Christian, but turned atheist after being opened up to the hatred the LGBTQA community has been exposed to, and after my great uncle's sudden death. When I have a family, I won't bring any religion into it, so my children can believe what they want without fear of me discriminating them. Right now, I'm a closet atheist... I don't know how to come out.
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dweebzilla Featured By Owner May 30, 2015  Student Digital Artist
hello, adorable atheist rainbow vocal synthesis character.
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VOCALOID-Rana Featured By Owner May 30, 2015
/ blinks
"hai there uwu"
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dweebzilla Featured By Owner May 30, 2015  Student Digital Artist
i would have assumed shintoism, not atheism
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VOCALOID-Rana Featured By Owner May 30, 2015
"hehe, Leon-kun always said 'assuming makes an ass out of u and me'... ^^"
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NyuIa Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2015  Student Digital Artist
my mom told me that, since i have so many questions on religion, i should take a class on religion in college and then decide what religion i want to subscribe to. she never got me baptized because she feels like i have the right to choose what religion i want. i'm pretty sure i'm unitarian or unitarian universalist. i lean more to the liberal side in most situations. however, im still in 8th grade, so i can't say for sure what my religion is :)
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CosmosAndChaos Featured By Owner Apr 11, 2015
I would not force my children to believe in God, I would force atheism on them, though.
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SprinklezBackup Featured By Owner Jun 11, 2015  Student General Artist
Just let them believe whatever they want to believe in??? Or don't believe in anything if they don't want to?
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SpectralDraco Featured By Owner May 18, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
That's kind of rude. 
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Master-Otkau-Dark Featured By Owner May 2, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
ok personally i would just let people including children choose there own path, to sit there as a parent and force your kids to be a whatever the fuck is wrong just dont do anything, if they decide to be an athiest fine if they want to be a fun lovin jesus man woman fine its there choice. its just wrong in so many levels to force anyone on anything just dont.
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WintersWhite Featured By Owner Apr 1, 2015  Student General Artist
My parents never bring up god at all. We never went to church. I spent my childhood not knowing religion existed. My family pretty much acts like religion doesn't exist. I'm quite grateful for that as I'm a person who would rather decide for myself from the fact I know whether something is immoral or not. 

However, in middle school, my circle of friends forced god on me. I loved to play Pokemon when I was in middle school and they would always try to convince me it was demonic. Whenever I got interested in something else, they would come up with a reason to think its demonic. I pretended to be religious in middle school so I wouldn't be attacked as I was one of the very few atheists at my middle school. It turned me off religion honestly and gave me the image being religious means having a "no fun allowed" life. My best friend that I met in high school is religious but luckily she does not force it on me. 
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Quirky-Gryphon Featured By Owner Jun 25, 2015  Student General Artist
Pokémon? Demonic? Okay, WHAT?
I'm a Christian and I love Pokémon. Maybe it's not the best series in the world, but that's kind of ridiculous.
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Nightbreeze9779 Featured By Owner May 27, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Wow. The Pokemon being demonic is a bit overboard. I'm happy you found a friend who doesn't care if you believe or not. My best friend is an atheist with me. My friends and parents don't know that I'm an atheist only my best friend.
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DragonStar2197 Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
If I ever have a little Dragon of my own, I'll let the scrapper choose their own religion and life, but I do plan on at least having them be Pagan until they decide which path they should take.
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SprinklezBackup Featured By Owner Edited Mar 30, 2015  Student General Artist
*is secretly a bit agnostic but pretends to just go along with all her family's beliefs so they won't kill her for it.* My stepbrothers seriously started scolding me when I said I had nothing against gays once, being they're the hateful kind of Christians. :stare: And I bet my dad and stepmom would do the same. Anyways, I agree with this.
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Shawntheimmortal94 Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2015  Hobbyist Writer
We all choose how to live our lives who are we to force choice on others
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SpectralDraco Featured By Owner May 18, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Atheism is also not a religion. It's a Idea/Theory. 
Non-religious is also a term, if you've heard of it. 

Other then that, I wish I had your parents tbh.
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repltvirginityismine Featured By Owner May 1, 2015
Atheism is the opposite of religion. It's the lack of believing "God(s)" or "Goddesses". We're merely a group of people with the same opinion or "belief". So technically if you don't believe in a religion, then you're an Atheist. 
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Master-Otkau-Dark Featured By Owner May 1, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
whatever man i dont care
its not really that important to me
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Sunshineluigi Featured By Owner Feb 28, 2015
My mom force's me to believe in god  , even though I do, I don't like how  she gets suspicious with games she hasn't heard of and she looks to see if it's biblical seriously she looked up to see if SIMS were biblical -_-
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Iamshadowthefox Featured By Owner Mar 8, 2015
That's sad, sims doesn't even have a religion, (unless you count seasons)
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Sunshineluigi Featured By Owner Mar 8, 2015
Ikr seriously name one game that follows religion
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SpectralDraco Featured By Owner May 18, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
The Assassin's Creed franchise kinda has a weird religion mix to it. I wouldn't let your mom catch you playing that because she'd flip, given that she would look it up.
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Sunshineluigi Featured By Owner May 18, 2015
My dad has that game.....I have no plans to play it
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Iamshadowthefox Featured By Owner Mar 8, 2015
I don't know of any...
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