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Stamp: I refuse. by 8manderz8 Stamp: I refuse. by 8manderz8
Before you start whining and/or reporting my stamp(s) as offensive to your sensitive little head -





I do not believe that it would be morally acceptable for me (me, myself, personally) to raise whatever children I do end up having to be religious in any way. I was not raised 'forced' to believe -- slightly suggested was more like it -- and I think I turned out just fine.

Now, that's not to say I'm not going to expose my children to the many different religions out there. Religions are very interesting things. I think they're worth having a look at. I would like to show them these different faiths, while at the same time making sure they know that people all over the world believe many different things, and that while these things are interesting and fun to think and talk about, they cannot all be true.

When my kids get to an age where they can decide for themselves what they want to believe, then I'll go on from there. If the end up Christian,Hindu, Pagan, Jewish, Muslim, Atheist... then that's their decision, and I will want them to know that I support them no matter what.

So don't think that I'm an evil atheist who is going to force my children to NOT believe, just don't think that I'm going to force them TO believe anything supernatural in particular, either.

As a side note - While I was taking a shower today I had a fun little idea - Science Sunday School! There really aren't any Sunday School options for... well. Atheists. But it'd be really neat to see someone put together a Sunday School program for children interested in science and stuff -- regardless of faith. How awesome would that be?


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I should also add that NO. I am not trying to make science into a religion. I can see how my previous wording could have been mistaken by someone not really paying attention the the whole paragraph. That's okay, I'm used to people taking quotes out of context and trying to use them to justify silliness.

Science is obviously not a religion. Sunday School, as I experienced it, was mostly about creating community and friends, while still learning and enjoying something that we had a common interest in -- in that case, yes, it was God. But the difference here is that I do not worship science, and that accepting children of other faiths into whatever science club would come would NOT be about religious experience. You can enjoy science while still being of X, Y, and Z faith.

The point of said school would be to encourage an interest in science - something that America desperately will need of its youth if it wants to continue to compete in the world economy in the future. That's the way I see it.

Additionally - I could call it a "Sunday Science Club," but you know what? Nah. I'm going to stick with School. Because Christianity does not have a monopoly on Sunday activities, they do not own the words "Sunday" or "School," and you know what? S.S.S. looks way cooler than S.S.C. It even sounds more bad-ass, like a snake or something.

You know what, I'm totally going to go through with this when I move back to the US. And our mascot will be the snakes. I'll make billboards and post them on the sides of the roads so that everyone will be forced to look at them, too. And if your kid is too busy going to Church to attend this bad-ass super sweet Sunday Science School, then that's too bad. The rest of the Super Sweet Sunday Science School Snakes and I will be doing Science and not giving a single damn, because that's just how we roll.

SCIENCE SNAKES FO LYFE (But only the one life, because the majority of us will probably not believe in an afterlife. Although some might, but still, it's worth mentioning that there is probably no God, just to piss you off.)


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Adding on some fun things for certain people:

The Jefferson Bible - Thomas Jefferson's version of the New Testament wherein he removed all sections of the four gospels which contain the Resurrection, most miracles, passages indicating that Jesus was divine, and most mentions of the supernatural.

Thomas Jefferson - one of America's founding fathers. Was a Christian in name, however held deistic views. Insisted on the separation of Church and State on several different occasions.

Deism - the belief that reason and observation of the natural world are sufficient to determine the existence of God, accompanied with the rejection of revelation and authority as a source of religious knowledge. Deism became prominent in the 17th and 18th centuries during the Age of Enlightenment among intellectuals raised as Christians who believed in one god, but found fault with organized religion and could not believe in supernatural events such as miracles, the inerrancy of scriptures, or the Trinity.

Christian Fundamentalism - a movement within Protestantism upholding a literal reading of the Bible. Fundamentalists fight against things like evolution because it contradicts their warm fuzzy feelings about God popping everything into existence as-is (despite evidence that supports the Theory of Evolution), and are viewed by many as intolerant, narrow-minded, and obscurantist.

Creationism - the religious belief that humanity, life, the Earth, and the universe are the creation of a supernatural being, usually the Abrahamic flavour of God. Despite mounds of evidence that is in support of evolution, and an enormous LACK of evidence for creationism, people still cling to this way of thinking because, because God! And Jesus! Tide goes in, tide goes out! You can't explain that!

Atheism - the rejection of belief in the existence of deities. That's it. Seriously.



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:iconsunshineluigi:
Sunshineluigi Featured By Owner 4 days ago
My mom force's me to believe in god  , even though I do, I don't like how  she gets suspicious with games she hasn't heard of and she looks to see if it's biblical seriously she looked up to see if SIMS were biblical -_-
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MrMeisterWaffle Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2015  Student Artist
(I want to note that I am a catholic.) If I do have kids, and they tell me that they don't want to be religious. I will fully respect their choice
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Wafflez-of-Equestria Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2015  Student Digital Artist
Same here :3
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TheWingedSkeleton Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2015  Student Digital Artist
Even though i don't want kids (yet, i'm not sure....) I would never force them to let them believe in god.
I myself do not believe in god, but if my kids want to they can. It's their choice :)
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PrinceOfRage Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2015  Professional Artisan Crafter
This is really fantastic and I think it's extremely important. The only issue is, if the parents practice a particular faith, naturally the child will want to emulate that. By exposing them to other ways of thinking and letting them be guided to their own path hopefully they will find that individual path but I sometimes think that individuals assume children have been forced into religion just because the child wants to be like the parents. I don't think you're saying that here at all (your comments are spot on and fantastic) but I do think it's important to note. I was raised Catholic but explored other religious ways of thinking on my own. I am currently Muslim and a Unitarian.
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RedLotusPony Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
My family somewhat agrees on a religion - not completely, we all have our slightly differing beliefs. If you're wondering, it is a somewhat strange religion that pretty much only we have. I was raised in my family with my parents talking about what they believed in now and then and it sounded both good and right to me. So I chose to follow my parents' religion. I will not force my children to believe the same thing I do, but I will do the way my parents did: talk about my beliefs and if they don't agree with me, I'll respect that.
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snubbuII Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2015  New member Student Digital Artist
my mom didn't get me baptized. she said that i should be free to choose my own religion :)
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Cleverpelt Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm so glad my father didn't force Religion on my brother and I, despite his beliefs. 
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Commander-Dominic Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2015
Agreed.
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PeteSeeger Featured By Owner Dec 17, 2014  Student Writer
Jefferson's defense of separation of Church and State was for the protection of religion. Not vice versa.
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VonRabenherz Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
And can you prove this, or do you only go around asserting stuff?
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:iconpeteseeger:
PeteSeeger Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2015  Student Writer
It's common knowledge!
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:iconvonrabenherz:
VonRabenherz Featured By Owner Feb 2, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
There is no such thing.
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:iconpeteseeger:
PeteSeeger Featured By Owner Feb 2, 2015  Student Writer
What do you mean?
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:iconvonrabenherz:
VonRabenherz Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
"Common knowledge". There is no such thing, it's the cheapest kind of an argumentum ad populum. If you state something as fact, especially something that is open to interpretation (which you did, because Jefferson never stated what you claimed explicitly), you'll have to back it up with some facts, or it's not worth the few bytes of space it takes up on DA's servers.
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:iconpeteseeger:
PeteSeeger Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2015  Student Writer
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VonRabenherz Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
There, that wasn't so hard, was it?

Not that I necessarily agree with the article. Seems to be fairly biased if you ask me, and all the author does is apply his own interpretation of the specific matter at hand ("His reply clearly applied “Separation of Church and State” to the establishment and not to the free exercise of religion." - if it was that clear, there would not be any need to argue the point... ), but hey, that's a different matter.
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Slendermansbrother Featured By Owner Dec 10, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Just some evidence since you pissed me off... :D

Read St. Thomas Aquinas' 5 laws. They help prove God's existence in ways where you can't prove he doesn't afterwards.

Also, unrelated to what's above... Why do people who are atheist say they don't believe in God, yet they keep saying "God doesn't exist, We hate God so much, We don't believe in God!" They just keep bringing up God... So if he doesn't exist... Why do they keep saying God and even bother wasting their time trying to prove he doesn't?
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VonRabenherz Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Aquinas proves nothing. He jumps to pre-determined conclusions that do not follow from his premises. His argumentation is faulty.

As to why atheists keep speaking out against religion, that one's easy:
Because religious people keep trying to push their religious agenda into areas where it does not belong - like science classes, court houses or other people's bedrooms. This needs to be opposed.
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Slendermansbrother Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Ah true... That makes sense...

You bring up a good point and have opened my eyes a little... Thank you very much for bringing up those fair points and answering my question... I apologize for anything I may have done to provoke you
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VonRabenherz Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
No need, no need, you haven't provoked me in any way ^^

I'm happy that the points I made didn't fell upon deaf ears, that's rather rare to be honest. I tip my hat to you.
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Slendermansbrother Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
That's good ^^

That is unfortunately true... people need to be more open to other people's views and listen instead of trying to ignore their opinions... I tip my hate to you too sir and hope you have a great life ^^
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lynda-hybrida Featured By Owner Dec 21, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
Aww he pissed you off?
Need a butthurt cream for that?
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Rozax Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2014
No, I think he is responding to the end of the first edit: "SCIENCE SNAKES FO LYFE (But only the one life, because the majority of us will probably not believe in an afterlife. Although some might, but still, it's worth mentioning that there is probably no God, just to piss you off.)"

She's picking on people who are easily offended; he's probably just having fun.
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SkyePachirisu Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
My mother tried to force me to be a Christian... When I told her I was uncomfortable, she locked me in a closet for 5 hours and wouldn't let me out for anything...
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Sluttyprince Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2014
Wouldn't that count as abuse? :0
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SkyePachirisu Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
Yep... ;w; I had an abusive mother...

...By the way, my mom is dead now.

And your username is awesome
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Sluttyprince Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2014
Oh, how'd she die? (Sorry for asking that, if that offended you)

And thanks. B)
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SkyePachirisu Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
She burned to death.
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:iconsluttyprince:
Sluttyprince Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2014
Ah okay.
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IDreamOfTheWind Featured By Owner Dec 3, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I would raise my children in a Christian household but if they didn't want to be Christian, I would allow them to follow their own paths. (Says the person who never wants to have kids)
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RainbowTailor Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2014  Student General Artist
My cousin forced me to go to church!
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minecatme Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2014
i wish my parents are like that, i was raised as a Catholic, but  don't belive in god any more, wen i told my parents thay said it was simlpy that time of the mounth and i was being dimatic   
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BlackDiamond874 Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2014
I doubt very seriously that your menstrual cycle would affect your thought patterns in such a way.  
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:iconminecatme:
minecatme Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2014
i know, i know it's not that but my parents think that's it, and i don't know how to get them to exsepet my new beliefs.
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BlackDiamond874 Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2014
All children rebel against their parents, it is a natural part of growing up. You become your own person, if you allow it. I doubt you are disagreeing with them just to spite them. As you age, your brain changes, your viewpoints of things change, YOU change. Your parents know this, they just do not want to accept it just yet, I think.
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minecatme Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2014
right
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Captain-Tickles Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
My make there own choices if my son for some reason wants to be Islam or Muslim I let him If he wants to be Catholic  Thats ok
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squiggledog Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2014
No one can make people believe anything.
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RuetheFox Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2014
I understand it. My parents kinda force me to be catholics but religions is what u believ and no one can choose that for you. Probably only at 18 ill be baptized. If my kids want to be christians, indu, athiests or Whatever, i won't force them to stop. Hey, but i think Tomas Jefferson was Mason. I think these guys opposite God. Well, i THINK só no offense if u are it and u don't do that.
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:iconpeteseeger:
PeteSeeger Featured By Owner Oct 31, 2014  Student Writer
If I ever have a kid they're going to Church so long as they live under my roof.
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VonRabenherz Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
I sincerely hope you never get children, then. The poor fucks.
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:iconpeteseeger:
PeteSeeger Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2015  Student Writer
So going to Church is equivalent to abuse?
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:iconvonrabenherz:
VonRabenherz Featured By Owner Feb 2, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Not if you do it of your own volition once old enough to make that decision sensibly, no. Which is not what we were talking about here.
What's equivalent to psychological child abuse, though, is baptizing kids at a young age or indoctrinating them religiously.
I've been there, it has been done to me, and I hate the people who did it for what they did.
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:iconpeteseeger:
PeteSeeger Featured By Owner Feb 2, 2015  Student Writer
Oh boo-damn hoo. Parents make you go to Church? Splash some water on your head as a baby? Oh the horrors!
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VonRabenherz Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Yeah, try to play it down, go ahead, try.
Fact is that such an action constitutes pissing on my sovereignty as a person, it means a violation of my right to decide for myself.
The damn catholic church will forever consider me one of their fucking members, since in their eyes baptism is irreversible. This is a choice that was taken away from me, made without my consent. It's a matter of principle.
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PeteSeeger Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2015  Student Writer
I'm playing it down because you treat it like you were actually abused.
In a world where people are murdered for their beliefs, imprisoned for speaking out against the powers that be, and slaves to public opinions I'll certainly weep for the loss of your right to decide whether or not to have your soul saved.
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VonRabenherz Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
The fact that other people in other situations may have it worse than me does not negate any wrongs committed against me.
This kind of argumentation is used often, but it's no more right for it. Like I said, it's a matter of principle. If rights can be taken away from individuals under the pretext of religion, that's a problem.

And you imply that my soul would need saving. It doesn't.
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DragonStar2197 Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
If I have kids, those scrappers wouldn't go near a church, unless they want to go willingly. As long as I don't have to hear about god from 'em, I'm good.
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Slendermansbrother Featured By Owner Dec 10, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
:O but I bet you'll be bringing up God a lot
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