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Stamp: I refuse. by 8manderz8 Stamp: I refuse. by 8manderz8
Before you start whining and/or reporting my stamp(s) as offensive to your sensitive little head -

I do not believe that it would be morally acceptable for me (me, myself, personally) to raise whatever children I do end up having to be religious in any way. I was not raised 'forced' to believe -- slightly suggested was more like it -- and I think I turned out just fine.

Now, that's not to say I'm not going to expose my children to the many different religions out there. Religions are very interesting things. I think they're worth having a look at. I would like to show them these different faiths, while at the same time making sure they know that people all over the world believe many different things, and that while these things are interesting and fun to think and talk about, they cannot all be true.

When my kids get to an age where they can decide for themselves what they want to believe, then I'll go on from there. If the end up Christian,Hindu, Pagan, Jewish, Muslim, Atheist... then that's their decision, and I will want them to know that I support them no matter what.

So don't think that I'm an evil atheist who is going to force my children to NOT believe, just don't think that I'm going to force them TO believe anything supernatural in particular, either.

As a side note - While I was taking a shower today I had a fun little idea - Science Sunday School! There really aren't any Sunday School options for... well. Atheists. But it'd be really neat to see someone put together a Sunday School program for children interested in science and stuff -- regardless of faith. How awesome would that be?

I should also add that NO. I am not trying to make science into a religion. I can see how my previous wording could have been mistaken by someone not really paying attention the the whole paragraph. That's okay, I'm used to people taking quotes out of context and trying to use them to justify silliness.

Science is obviously not a religion. Sunday School, as I experienced it, was mostly about creating community and friends, while still learning and enjoying something that we had a common interest in -- in that case, yes, it was God. But the difference here is that I do not worship science, and that accepting children of other faiths into whatever science club would come would NOT be about religious experience. You can enjoy science while still being of X, Y, and Z faith.

The point of said school would be to encourage an interest in science - something that America desperately will need of its youth if it wants to continue to compete in the world economy in the future. That's the way I see it.

Additionally - I could call it a "Sunday Science Club," but you know what? Nah. I'm going to stick with School. Because Christianity does not have a monopoly on Sunday activities, they do not own the words "Sunday" or "School," and you know what? S.S.S. looks way cooler than S.S.C. It even sounds more bad-ass, like a snake or something.

You know what, I'm totally going to go through with this when I move back to the US. And our mascot will be the snakes. I'll make billboards and post them on the sides of the roads so that everyone will be forced to look at them, too. And if your kid is too busy going to Church to attend this bad-ass super sweet Sunday Science School, then that's too bad. The rest of the Super Sweet Sunday Science School Snakes and I will be doing Science and not giving a single damn, because that's just how we roll.

SCIENCE SNAKES FO LYFE (But only the one life, because the majority of us will probably not believe in an afterlife. Although some might, but still, it's worth mentioning that there is probably no God, just to piss you off.)

Adding on some fun things for certain people:

The Jefferson Bible - Thomas Jefferson's version of the New Testament wherein he removed all sections of the four gospels which contain the Resurrection, most miracles, passages indicating that Jesus was divine, and most mentions of the supernatural.

Thomas Jefferson - one of America's founding fathers. Was a Christian in name, however held deistic views. Insisted on the separation of Church and State on several different occasions.

Deism - the belief that reason and observation of the natural world are sufficient to determine the existence of God, accompanied with the rejection of revelation and authority as a source of religious knowledge. Deism became prominent in the 17th and 18th centuries during the Age of Enlightenment among intellectuals raised as Christians who believed in one god, but found fault with organized religion and could not believe in supernatural events such as miracles, the inerrancy of scriptures, or the Trinity.

Christian Fundamentalism - a movement within Protestantism upholding a literal reading of the Bible. Fundamentalists fight against things like evolution because it contradicts their warm fuzzy feelings about God popping everything into existence as-is (despite evidence that supports the Theory of Evolution), and are viewed by many as intolerant, narrow-minded, and obscurantist.

Creationism - the religious belief that humanity, life, the Earth, and the universe are the creation of a supernatural being, usually the Abrahamic flavour of God. Despite mounds of evidence that is in support of evolution, and an enormous LACK of evidence for creationism, people still cling to this way of thinking because, because God! And Jesus! Tide goes in, tide goes out! You can't explain that!

Atheism - the rejection of belief in the existence of deities. That's it. Seriously.

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ToriKross Featured By Owner 3 days ago  Hobbyist Artist
how can you be forced to believe in something if people can't control your mind? They may give you the materials, but it's you that will decide to believe or not. Not all religious people oppose science and evolution. 
AutomatonCreatives Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
When I was younger, I used to go to church with my parents because well, no one really told me I had a choice, but I didn't feel forced to go either. (Easter Morning donuts were really delicious, hur.)

Even now, I know I'm an athiest, but I let others do what they do regarding religion. Unless it's hurting someone, carry out your beliefs. (And by hurting, I don't mean them getting butthurt over not believing what you do.) 
azurathewolfcat Featured By Owner May 29, 2014  New member Student Digital Artist
but my parents yesCry forever 
Gametastic Featured By Owner May 24, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
The whole reason they teach their children to believe in a God because its what they think is right..
Its like teaching your kids not to be racist and not to lie, because its what they think is right..
SealyTheSeal Featured By Owner Jun 8, 2014
God? You mean that asshole who killed millions of innocent people for not doing what he wants?
Gametastic Featured By Owner Jun 8, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
Aha,you make me laugh.
 Anyway, give me an example and ill gladly counter your argument if youd like, but if your only purpose of replying to me was to mock my religion and look like an ass , then if you could stop wasting my time, that would be great.
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MineDroid Featured By Owner Jun 25, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Hey, let me give you an example : Exodus 12:29 . Here God shows his mercy and love and slays every newborn in Egypt. And I sense that you'll be a douchebag and not reply to me.

Gametastic Featured By Owner Jun 25, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
Then your senses are obviously fucking wrong along with your example, way to read only one verse and not the whole story.


IF you actually read the whole story you would know that the Egyptians are far from innocent people. Hebrews were slaves in Egypt. Pharaoh was afraid of them because he thought they might take over his country.He ordered that all Hebrew baby boys be killed at birth so that they would not grow up and fight against him.

Rough guess of people being killed under the Pharaohs rule, keep in mind that pretty much all of the male Egyptians worked for the Pharaoh, and the wives usually bought and mistreated them also, so in no way were they innocent and good people.
  1. Innocent Egyptian Infants killed in the Tenth Plague: 69,000

  2. Innocent Hebrew Infants killed in the infanticide program of the Pharaoh (and successors) : 2,750,000.

So by your logic its perfectly fine if the Egyptians kill first born babies and enslave the adults but when God decides to punish them, hes the bad guy here


It seems that you have forgotten the heaven and hell factor, since babies and children are innocent, they dont go to hell.
Also by killing off the babies (more specifically the males) he prevented the same thing from happening in a different generation. Also God givieth life and God taketh away. Also also,  the passover effect COULD HAVE BEEN AVIODED if the egyptaions did what God told them to do. "Then Moses called for all the elders of Israel, and said unto them, Draw out and take you a lamb according to your families, and kill the passover." Which means if they scarified a lamb and put the blood on the doorways, they would have been spared, the ones who didnt do what God said, ontop of enslaving people, they DESERVED it.


I dont care, you're questioning the bible so im going to use the bible to counter it.


This is the same argument i have with people who question the noah and ark story.

Moses went to Pharaoh to ask him to set the Hebrews free. Pharaoh did not want to lose his slaves. He would not let them go, because they worked on his grand buildings. Awful things began to happen in Egypt. There were ten plagues. Before each one, Moses had warned Pharaoh what would happen. Moses told him the disasters had been sent by God.
If you think all of these disasters happened in one night or 10 nights than you're wrong. They probably took about 4 to 5 months for all 10 plagues.

if you have anymore questions , NOTE ME, seriously i cant keep answering shit in comments like this, and please read the whole story or else i refuse to answer your questions.…
and some other sites, forgot what they were.

Koiko-Destol Featured By Owner Jul 2, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
*sniffs* Sorry I'm kind of proud of this
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