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Stamp: I refuse. by 8manderz8 Stamp: I refuse. by 8manderz8
Before you start whining and/or reporting my stamp(s) as offensive to your sensitive little head -





I do not believe that it would be morally acceptable for me (me, myself, personally) to raise whatever children I do end up having to be religious in any way. I was not raised 'forced' to believe -- slightly suggested was more like it -- and I think I turned out just fine.

Now, that's not to say I'm not going to expose my children to the many different religions out there. Religions are very interesting things. I think they're worth having a look at. I would like to show them these different faiths, while at the same time making sure they know that people all over the world believe many different things, and that while these things are interesting and fun to think and talk about, they cannot all be true.

When my kids get to an age where they can decide for themselves what they want to believe, then I'll go on from there. If the end up Christian,Hindu, Pagan, Jewish, Muslim, Atheist... then that's their decision, and I will want them to know that I support them no matter what.

So don't think that I'm an evil atheist who is going to force my children to NOT believe, just don't think that I'm going to force them TO believe anything supernatural in particular, either.

As a side note - While I was taking a shower today I had a fun little idea - Science Sunday School! There really aren't any Sunday School options for... well. Atheists. But it'd be really neat to see someone put together a Sunday School program for children interested in science and stuff -- regardless of faith. How awesome would that be?


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I should also add that NO. I am not trying to make science into a religion. I can see how my previous wording could have been mistaken by someone not really paying attention the the whole paragraph. That's okay, I'm used to people taking quotes out of context and trying to use them to justify silliness.

Science is obviously not a religion. Sunday School, as I experienced it, was mostly about creating community and friends, while still learning and enjoying something that we had a common interest in -- in that case, yes, it was God. But the difference here is that I do not worship science, and that accepting children of other faiths into whatever science club would come would NOT be about religious experience. You can enjoy science while still being of X, Y, and Z faith.

The point of said school would be to encourage an interest in science - something that America desperately will need of its youth if it wants to continue to compete in the world economy in the future. That's the way I see it.

Additionally - I could call it a "Sunday Science Club," but you know what? Nah. I'm going to stick with School. Because Christianity does not have a monopoly on Sunday activities, they do not own the words "Sunday" or "School," and you know what? S.S.S. looks way cooler than S.S.C. It even sounds more bad-ass, like a snake or something.

You know what, I'm totally going to go through with this when I move back to the US. And our mascot will be the snakes. I'll make billboards and post them on the sides of the roads so that everyone will be forced to look at them, too. And if your kid is too busy going to Church to attend this bad-ass super sweet Sunday Science School, then that's too bad. The rest of the Super Sweet Sunday Science School Snakes and I will be doing Science and not giving a single damn, because that's just how we roll.

SCIENCE SNAKES FO LYFE (But only the one life, because the majority of us will probably not believe in an afterlife. Although some might, but still, it's worth mentioning that there is probably no God, just to piss you off.)


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Adding on some fun things for certain people:

The Jefferson Bible - Thomas Jefferson's version of the New Testament wherein he removed all sections of the four gospels which contain the Resurrection, most miracles, passages indicating that Jesus was divine, and most mentions of the supernatural.

Thomas Jefferson - one of America's founding fathers. Was a Christian in name, however held deistic views. Insisted on the separation of Church and State on several different occasions.

Deism - the belief that reason and observation of the natural world are sufficient to determine the existence of God, accompanied with the rejection of revelation and authority as a source of religious knowledge. Deism became prominent in the 17th and 18th centuries during the Age of Enlightenment among intellectuals raised as Christians who believed in one god, but found fault with organized religion and could not believe in supernatural events such as miracles, the inerrancy of scriptures, or the Trinity.

Christian Fundamentalism - a movement within Protestantism upholding a literal reading of the Bible. Fundamentalists fight against things like evolution because it contradicts their warm fuzzy feelings about God popping everything into existence as-is (despite evidence that supports the Theory of Evolution), and are viewed by many as intolerant, narrow-minded, and obscurantist.

Creationism - the religious belief that humanity, life, the Earth, and the universe are the creation of a supernatural being, usually the Abrahamic flavour of God. Despite mounds of evidence that is in support of evolution, and an enormous LACK of evidence for creationism, people still cling to this way of thinking because, because God! And Jesus! Tide goes in, tide goes out! You can't explain that!

Atheism - the rejection of belief in the existence of deities. That's it. Seriously.



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RedLotusPony Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
My family somewhat agrees on a religion - not completely, we all have our slightly differing beliefs. If you're wondering, it is a somewhat strange religion that pretty much only we have. I was raised in my family with my parents talking about what they believed in now and then and it sounded both good and right to me. So I chose to follow my parents' religion. I will not force my children to believe the same thing I do, but I will do the way my parents did: talk about my beliefs and if they don't agree with me, I'll respect that.
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snubbuII Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2015  New member Student Digital Artist
my mom didn't get me baptized. she said that i should be free to choose my own religion :)
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Cleverpelt Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm so glad my father didn't force Religion on my brother and I, despite his beliefs. 
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Commander-Dominic Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2015
Agreed.
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:iconpeteseeger:
PeteSeeger Featured By Owner Dec 17, 2014  Student Writer
Jefferson's defense of separation of Church and State was for the protection of religion. Not vice versa.
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VonRabenherz Featured By Owner 20 hours ago  Hobbyist General Artist
And can you prove this, or do you only go around asserting stuff?
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:iconpeteseeger:
PeteSeeger Featured By Owner 19 hours ago  Student Writer
It's common knowledge!
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Slendermansbrother Featured By Owner Dec 10, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Just some evidence since you pissed me off... :D

Read St. Thomas Aquinas' 5 laws. They help prove God's existence in ways where you can't prove he doesn't afterwards.

Also, unrelated to what's above... Why do people who are atheist say they don't believe in God, yet they keep saying "God doesn't exist, We hate God so much, We don't believe in God!" They just keep bringing up God... So if he doesn't exist... Why do they keep saying God and even bother wasting their time trying to prove he doesn't?
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VonRabenherz Featured By Owner 20 hours ago  Hobbyist General Artist
Aquinas proves nothing. He jumps to pre-determined conclusions that do not follow from his premises. His argumentation is faulty.

As to why atheists keep speaking out against religion, that one's easy:
Because religious people keep trying to push their religious agenda into areas where it does not belong - like science classes, court houses or other people's bedrooms. This needs to be opposed.
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Slendermansbrother Featured By Owner 19 hours ago  Hobbyist General Artist
Ah true... That makes sense...

You bring up a good point and have opened my eyes a little... Thank you very much for bringing up those fair points and answering my question... I apologize for anything I may have done to provoke you
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VonRabenherz Featured By Owner 19 hours ago  Hobbyist General Artist
No need, no need, you haven't provoked me in any way ^^

I'm happy that the points I made didn't fell upon deaf ears, that's rather rare to be honest. I tip my hat to you.
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Slendermansbrother Featured By Owner 18 hours ago  Hobbyist General Artist
That's good ^^

That is unfortunately true... people need to be more open to other people's views and listen instead of trying to ignore their opinions... I tip my hate to you too sir and hope you have a great life ^^
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lynda-hybrida Featured By Owner Dec 21, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
Aww he pissed you off?
Need a butthurt cream for that?
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Rozax Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2014
No, I think he is responding to the end of the first edit: "SCIENCE SNAKES FO LYFE (But only the one life, because the majority of us will probably not believe in an afterlife. Although some might, but still, it's worth mentioning that there is probably no God, just to piss you off.)"

She's picking on people who are easily offended; he's probably just having fun.
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SkyePachirisu Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2014  New member Hobbyist Writer
My mother tried to force me to be a Christian... When I told her I was uncomfortable, she locked me in a closet for 5 hours and wouldn't let me out for anything...
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Sluttyprince Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2014
Wouldn't that count as abuse? :0
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SkyePachirisu Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2014  New member Hobbyist Writer
Yep... ;w; I had an abusive mother...

...By the way, my mom is dead now.

And your username is awesome
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Sluttyprince Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2014
Oh, how'd she die? (Sorry for asking that, if that offended you)

And thanks. B)
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SkyePachirisu Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2014  New member Hobbyist Writer
She burned to death.
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:iconsluttyprince:
Sluttyprince Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2014
Ah okay.
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IDreamOfTheWind Featured By Owner Dec 3, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I would raise my children in a Christian household but if they didn't want to be Christian, I would allow them to follow their own paths. (Says the person who never wants to have kids)
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RainbowTailor Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2014  Student General Artist
My cousin forced me to go to church!
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minecatme Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2014
i wish my parents are like that, i was raised as a Catholic, but  don't belive in god any more, wen i told my parents thay said it was simlpy that time of the mounth and i was being dimatic   
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BlackDiamond874 Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2014
I doubt very seriously that your menstrual cycle would affect your thought patterns in such a way.  
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:iconminecatme:
minecatme Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2014
i know, i know it's not that but my parents think that's it, and i don't know how to get them to exsepet my new beliefs.
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BlackDiamond874 Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2014
All children rebel against their parents, it is a natural part of growing up. You become your own person, if you allow it. I doubt you are disagreeing with them just to spite them. As you age, your brain changes, your viewpoints of things change, YOU change. Your parents know this, they just do not want to accept it just yet, I think.
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minecatme Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2014
right
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Captain-Tickles Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
My make there own choices if my son for some reason wants to be Islam or Muslim I let him If he wants to be Catholic  Thats ok
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squiggledog Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2014
No one can make people believe anything.
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RuetheFox Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2014
I understand it. My parents kinda force me to be catholics but religions is what u believ and no one can choose that for you. Probably only at 18 ill be baptized. If my kids want to be christians, indu, athiests or Whatever, i won't force them to stop. Hey, but i think Tomas Jefferson was Mason. I think these guys opposite God. Well, i THINK só no offense if u are it and u don't do that.
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PeteSeeger Featured By Owner Oct 31, 2014  Student Writer
If I ever have a kid they're going to Church so long as they live under my roof.
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VonRabenherz Featured By Owner 20 hours ago  Hobbyist General Artist
I sincerely hope you never get children, then. The poor fucks.
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:iconpeteseeger:
PeteSeeger Featured By Owner 19 hours ago  Student Writer
So going to Church is equivalent to abuse?
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DragonStar2197 Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
If I have kids, those scrappers wouldn't go near a church, unless they want to go willingly. As long as I don't have to hear about god from 'em, I'm good.
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Slendermansbrother Featured By Owner Dec 10, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
:O but I bet you'll be bringing up God a lot
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DragonStar2197 Featured By Owner Dec 10, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I probably won't, as I rarely do now. For once I actually get nauseous when speaking about religion (which again, I rarely do.) or hearing a conversation I can't really get away from.
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Slendermansbrother Featured By Owner Dec 10, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Ah ok then
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RuetheFox Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2014
I am being forces into catholic when i want to be christian. It's their own choice. No offense but, there is a quote that says "one who thinks sitting in church will make them a christian must also think sitting in a garage can make them a car." Well, ur choice.
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PeteSeeger Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2014  Student Writer
Catholic is Christian. They're goin' to Church because it's the proper way to show respect for God.
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RuetheFox Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2014
Well, catholic is Christian in a way, but catholics believe in saints and where i live, they worship mary as if she had as almost much power and authority as God himself. I know u show respect by it but for me it just not does feel right.
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PeteSeeger Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2014  Student Writer
We do not worship Mary. We give her the veneration she deserves as Queen of Heaven.
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RuetheFox Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2014
Queen of Heaven? Well, no ofense but God chose her because she was from The tribe of Judah, was virgin, numarried, and descendant of David. Also i mean over here where i live ;)
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PeteSeeger Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2014  Student Writer
Catholics don't worship her anywhere.
She wasn't descended from David, her husband Joseph was. 
From the moment of her conception in the womb of St. Anne the LORD spared her from the stain of Original Sin upon her soul that she may be able to bare the presence of the Word within her body.
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RuetheFox Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2014
Well, my family kinda does. Well, i guess u are right about Joseph. But are you telling me she never sinned? Hosting Jesus or not, she was human. All Humans have sinful nature no matter what. Jesus was a different case. But there is no way she could be completly pure from all sin. Well, That's what i know.
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Randomrainbowz101 Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I was basically dragged into Christianity when I was little, twe looked for a better church that was right for us, and we found Unitarian universalism. I won't force my kids to be uus or Christians. Ill just let them believe what they want to.
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BeatlesandWebkinz Featured By Owner Edited Oct 11, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I was forced to believe in god, good thing that I wanted to anyway...
I'm going to sort of make my kids believe in god since I (my own opinion) don't believe in evolution. 

I'm not going to make them go to church all of the time or anything, i'm just gonna baptize them (Hey, I was...) and teach them about god and jesus a little. Hey, maybe even vacation bible school? (I went to those.. xD) 

I probably sound like the biggest douche right now.
At least i'm not going to stop them from loving/liking who/what they like.
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Melnazar Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2014
You claim not to accept evolution, why?
After all, it is, like all scientific theories, a model which explains a particular things observed based on empirical evidence and experimentation. In this case, it's the diversity of life.  So why not accept what is observed?
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BeatlesandWebkinz Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Because I do not believe in it. Freedom of religion.
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:iconmelnazar:
Melnazar Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2014
Except that a scientific theory is not a religion...
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BeatlesandWebkinz Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Did I say that atheism is a religion? No.
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