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Before you start whining and/or reporting my stamp(s) as offensive to your sensitive little head -





I do not believe that it would be morally acceptable for me (me, myself, personally) to raise whatever children I do end up having to be religious in any way. I was not raised 'forced' to believe -- slightly suggested was more like it -- and I think I turned out just fine.

Now, that's not to say I'm not going to expose my children to the many different religions out there. Religions are very interesting things. I think they're worth having a look at. I would like to show them these different faiths, while at the same time making sure they know that people all over the world believe many different things, and that while these things are interesting and fun to think and talk about, they cannot all be true.

When my kids get to an age where they can decide for themselves what they want to believe, then I'll go on from there. If the end up Christian,Hindu, Pagan, Jewish, Muslim, Atheist... then that's their decision, and I will want them to know that I support them no matter what.

So don't think that I'm an evil atheist who is going to force my children to NOT believe, just don't think that I'm going to force them TO believe anything supernatural in particular, either.

As a side note - While I was taking a shower today I had a fun little idea - Science Sunday School! There really aren't any Sunday School options for... well. Atheists. But it'd be really neat to see someone put together a Sunday School program for children interested in science and stuff -- regardless of faith. How awesome would that be?


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I should also add that NO. I am not trying to make science into a religion. I can see how my previous wording could have been mistaken by someone not really paying attention the the whole paragraph. That's okay, I'm used to people taking quotes out of context and trying to use them to justify silliness.

Science is obviously not a religion. Sunday School, as I experienced it, was mostly about creating community and friends, while still learning and enjoying something that we had a common interest in -- in that case, yes, it was God. But the difference here is that I do not worship science, and that accepting children of other faiths into whatever science club would come would NOT be about religious experience. You can enjoy science while still being of X, Y, and Z faith.

The point of said school would be to encourage an interest in science - something that America desperately will need of its youth if it wants to continue to compete in the world economy in the future. That's the way I see it.

Additionally - I could call it a "Sunday Science Club," but you know what? Nah. I'm going to stick with School. Because Christianity does not have a monopoly on Sunday activities, they do not own the words "Sunday" or "School," and you know what? S.S.S. looks way cooler than S.S.C. It even sounds more bad-ass, like a snake or something.

You know what, I'm totally going to go through with this when I move back to the US. And our mascot will be the snakes. I'll make billboards and post them on the sides of the roads so that everyone will be forced to look at them, too. And if your kid is too busy going to Church to attend this bad-ass super sweet Sunday Science School, then that's too bad. The rest of the Super Sweet Sunday Science School Snakes and I will be doing Science and not giving a single damn, because that's just how we roll.

SCIENCE SNAKES FO LYFE (But only the one life, because the majority of us will probably not believe in an afterlife. Although some might, but still, it's worth mentioning that there is probably no God, just to piss you off.)


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Adding on some fun things for certain people:

The Jefferson Bible - Thomas Jefferson's version of the New Testament wherein he removed all sections of the four gospels which contain the Resurrection, most miracles, passages indicating that Jesus was divine, and most mentions of the supernatural.

Thomas Jefferson - one of America's founding fathers. Was a Christian in name, however held deistic views. Insisted on the separation of Church and State on several different occasions.

Deism - the belief that reason and observation of the natural world are sufficient to determine the existence of God, accompanied with the rejection of revelation and authority as a source of religious knowledge. Deism became prominent in the 17th and 18th centuries during the Age of Enlightenment among intellectuals raised as Christians who believed in one god, but found fault with organized religion and could not believe in supernatural events such as miracles, the inerrancy of scriptures, or the Trinity.

Christian Fundamentalism - a movement within Protestantism upholding a literal reading of the Bible. Fundamentalists fight against things like evolution because it contradicts their warm fuzzy feelings about God popping everything into existence as-is (despite evidence that supports the Theory of Evolution), and are viewed by many as intolerant, narrow-minded, and obscurantist.

Creationism - the religious belief that humanity, life, the Earth, and the universe are the creation of a supernatural being, usually the Abrahamic flavour of God. Despite mounds of evidence that is in support of evolution, and an enormous LACK of evidence for creationism, people still cling to this way of thinking because, because God! And Jesus! Tide goes in, tide goes out! You can't explain that!

Atheism - the rejection of belief in the existence of deities. That's it. Seriously.



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:iconscoopskipotatoes:
ScoopSkiPotatoes Featured By Owner 5 days ago
Hell or Heaven? Satan or God?
Both have something' in common. 
Neither are real. And never will be.
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kittencradle Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I was Christian up until 6th grade. Not because I went to church or anything, I hadn't even really seen a bible in person.
I was Christian because my mom wanted me to be.
It wasn't really forced, so much as given no other option, like somebody that wouldn't force you to eat a hot dog but wouldn't tell you that there are other types of food. 
I 'came out' as atheist about a year ago, and she was angry. She told me that she would not allow me to be atheist under her roof until I had Bible classes and really understood the Bible and what it teaches. Funny how I could say I was christian simply because my mom got it into my head while I was at such an impressionable age and she'd be fine with it, but after many months of thinking it over I said I was atheist and suddenly I don't know what I'm talking about, huh?
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jonathanlerner13 Featured By Owner Dec 27, 2015   Digital Artist
i'm a christian and i agree with this stamp :)
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:iconlunamatsu:
LunaMatsu Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2015  Student Digital Artist
Same here.
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BaneHatredNightOdium Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2015  New Deviant Student General Artist
This is the most horrible thing that you could do to your child. For me, it screwed my life up badly, very badly.
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Briannabater Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2015  Professional Photographer
Yes.  Thank you for posting this. 
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DarkFearZZ Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I will do it in the future tho
because i will love them and im afraid they will go to hell XD
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wakaflockaflame1 Featured By Owner Dec 25, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Haha! that is love though, that is love. Strange, somewhat wrong, but tis love.
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nneptune84 Featured By Owner Edited Nov 21, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
oh my fucking god you shouldn't FORCE your children to do ANYTHING that's disgusting


 any reasonable god or gods wouldn't force a child to go to a bad afterlife ( if there are any of these things) just because they didn't know of their EXISTENCE that would be fucking evil
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:iconbriannabater:
Briannabater Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2015  Professional Photographer
*eyeroll
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splatter789 Featured By Owner Nov 11, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
I am all for Science Sunday School.
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RainbowStriked Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2015  Professional General Artist
I'm a christian, and I don't think anyone should be forced to have the same beliefs as I do. If my children don't wanna be a Christian, that's fine. It's THEIR choice. 
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Hates-olives Featured By Owner Oct 31, 2015
Same with me!
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JediMasterMaria89 Featured By Owner Oct 23, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Believing in God is not by force, it's an experience
that one will experience rather then forced upon,
one has a choice. 
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Ismenis Featured By Owner Edited Oct 3, 2015
I actually have children. I'm Catholic and my husband is Jewish. They'll probably be Jewish and believe in a God simply because both him and I do and we also happen to be scientists (he has the fancy PhD while I'm here with my dinky little bachelor of science lol). My stepdaughter believes in God all on her own. But whatever happens, I'll love them all the same. 

EDIT: My husband and I have a nasty habit of trying to force our scientific fields on our daughters. My toddler is 2 years old and already goes around telling people "bacteria aren't bad! They're the cool bugs!" (I'm a microbiologist). And we have microbe plushes for the baby, so she likes to cuddle with E. coli. LOL
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MenollySagittaria Featured By Owner Aug 30, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Yeah, even though I'm a big religion (of any kind) enthusiast, I don't want to have serious discussions about it with kids I may adopt or have until they're about 6 or 7. That's a major milestone in development where the average measurable brainwaves rise in frequency and according to psychology, unconscious conditioning more or less ends. 

"A thousand years is to a day to God" -Isaiah. Hmmm, sounds like a blueprint for the "day" model of the creation story, to me. 

"Atheism" also rejects any kind of supernatural phenomena, or quantum mechanics related to it and consciousness, even in the face of evidence. In reality, what most people mean when they say "atheist" is also a Newtonian Materialist. They erroneously conflate a belief in a "god" being with anything and everything supernatural, large or small. Many atheists would not accept a Buddhist or a non-theistic Hindu into their ranks, for example, even though they, too, do not believe in an entity running the world, the supposed "strict" definition of atheism, and scientific inquiry at least backs up benefits of their meditation techniques. 

Really, I think you're being an intentional instigator with the snake bit. Why not Science Salamanders? That's a more fun word to say anyway. Salamander salamander salamander, heehee.
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xXDidnyWorlXx Featured By Owner Aug 23, 2015  Student Digital Artist
shoving religion down anyone's throat is wrong i believe in God not only because i grew up in it but because my morals and opinions are based on the bible before i even read it.im a pacifist because Christianity is supposed to be peaceful and i hate violence
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blustery-stars Featured By Owner Aug 17, 2015  Student Digital Artist
i don't even want kids
but you're right
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Wixi-Pixie Featured By Owner Jul 13, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
I feel SO glad that my parents did not force me into atheism!!!  Although I am an atheist, when I was 3-4, some Christians, which I do not remember who they were, tried to FORCE ME TO BECOME A CHRISTIAN.  What the hell.  I didn't even know what a God was until I was 5-6!
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Lucario1d4 Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2015
I believe in God and I will tell my kids (( if I get to have some )) of its possible existence but I'll leave them to believe whatever they want :P
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Briannabater Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2015  Professional Photographer
Awesome
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MrsRaganJ3T Featured By Owner Jul 4, 2015  Student General Artist
My mom did that to me and because of it I gave her a hard time for years, but eventually I started to believe on God on my own. I vowed to myself to never force my kids to be a Christian.
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Warboss-Skrutch Featured By Owner Jun 27, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
But you'll probably force them into being 100% progressive faggots amrite?
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:iconlunamatsu:
LunaMatsu Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2016  Student Digital Artist
What the fuck??
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:iconastrall99:
Astrall99 Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
(Before you say it,yes I know this is old)
Why would anyone with some form of cognitive development want that?Not being moronic bigots doesn't make us Tumblr psychos...Also,why the fuck are people still using faggot as a derogatory term?Stop it,please,it just gets stupid.......
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nneptune84 Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
people on here use f*ggot to try and be " hardcore" but they just look like an 11 year old boy who plays Halo all day on his Xbox lmfao
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Astrall99 Featured By Owner Nov 22, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
lol
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Seeing-Spades Featured By Owner Sep 17, 2015  Student General Artist
oh no, we're teaching children to think for themselves and to be themselves. what has the world come to, with it's critical thinking and acceptance??
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Warboss-Skrutch Featured By Owner Sep 18, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Oh no, you are teaching them to think like oversensitive dipshits, wanting to censor anything that might 'trigger' them rather than let them learn how hard the real world is, I see the special snowflake brigade is on the case once again.
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kittencradle Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You christians are the ones who threw a hissy fit when Starbucks didn't make their cups exactly like you wanted.
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Warboss-Skrutch Featured By Owner 6 days ago  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm not a christian you moron, yet I see what they are saying. People like you laugh at christians when they don't want rainbows all around yet you cry like pathetic weaklings when there's 'under god' on the bill or a cross in a classroom.
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Seeing-Spades Featured By Owner Sep 21, 2015  Student General Artist
you're mistaken, sir/madam.
i do believe that a lot of tumblr's ideologies are complete and utter bullshit, 'triggers' being among them.
part of loving yourself is overcoming your fears and struggles. you'll only ever actually enjoy your life if you can laugh at what had previously haunted you.
i'm not teaching them to be special snowflakes, i'm teaching them to be icebergs. to be proud of what they are, and fight against anything that comes against them.
believe me, i despise most of the things these people say. they're absolute nonsense.

and i'm against censorship, forgot to add.
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HatsuneMikari Featured By Owner Jun 28, 2015  Student General Artist
Yezzum
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RedAmerican1945 Featured By Owner Jun 27, 2015
Or maybe she'll give them the chance to chose their path unlike many christian families that if their children chose to be an Atheist kick them out of their families or at worse abuse them. I was lucky to be born into a liberal Catholic family, when I came out as Bi and an Atheist they loved me the same as always.  
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Warboss-Skrutch Featured By Owner Jun 28, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
You have a polish surname huh? Makes me cringe when I see you hold communist/socialist ideologies.
Or maybe she'll push atheism and liberal propaganda on their ass, making them bigots right from the get go and then call them "free thinking" - don't be fucking stupid, people like you call everyone close-minded while they would prefer to put their hands in a jar of acid than admit that conservatives can be right more often on political and economic level.
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RedAmerican1945 Featured By Owner Jun 28, 2015
Yes a lot of my families heritage is form poland, I know that the communist regime in Poland was nothing more but a soviet satellite. Just because i'm a socialist doesn't mean i'm authoritarian. Actually i'm anything but that i'm a Libertarian Socialist, also i'm open to any idea for which evidence is given. If someone gives me undeniable proof that god is real i'll worship that god, but so far no solid evidence. Also let me be frank here the republicans have fucked this nation quite a bit, bush came into office with a surplus and led us to another economic crash, he invade Iraq a nation that had nothing to do with 9/11. He made torture legal and toke away our privacy with the patriot act. Obama still keep the patriot act, got out of Iraq (only to go back to it) made a deal to slow down Iran's nuclear process, killed Bin Laden and the economy has gotten better, but mostly only for the top percent. Which is why I don't really like Obama as much as I use to. Conservatives from what i've seen only give a shit about pleasing a few supper rich cock suckers so they can live a bit better and fuck our lives more, democrats while not as bad still have this problem too. The only conservative I somewhat like is Rand Paul but mostly for his libertarian principles, he even said that the republicans were most to blame for our decline as a nation.
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Warboss-Skrutch Featured By Owner Jun 28, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
You give me big words, big events, alot of blame yet I don't see any solid solution that would solve the economic crisis and depression America has got itself into.
What I hate about most of the voters, which I don't know if I can label you as, is choosing politicians based on miniscule things and opinions the person represents "Oh he's for abortion, oh he's for the gun legalisation" etcetera. It's ridiculous, and the politicians in exchange are supposed to be public service while they bitch about miniscule things like payroll tax when their government is about to colapse, just my opinion and something people should realise.
Let me continue going on what I was talking about in the first place. Though the topic I was talking about is a bit different it's connected to why America is getting fucked right now, they focused on miniscule issues or issues focusing on society, only making some cosmetic changes to their economy, while both parties fucked up I'd go for Republicans if I'd want the economy to be back on feet, one of the reasons the economy got fucked when Republicans got more power over Democrats is because they put restrictions on them not letting them make proper changes to economy so they could make the market more loose, it's hard to try to get economy rolling once again while people shut down every solution you try to present. These are the main issues and problems America's government is facing, they either focus on small problems or don't let each other work. I don't even care for Iraq, Bin Laden etc. - extremists can suck my cock so fuck 'em.
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RedAmerican1945 Featured By Owner Jun 28, 2015
Quite frankly this nation needs a good dosage of Democratic Socialism, Bernie Sanders in my opinion is the best choice for presidency. Things like cutting the military, ending the war on drugs, and getting out of the middle east will help our nations economy. He also made a plan that would give american students tuition free college by proposing a tax on wall street. Lazie fare capitalism will destroy this nation if we let it lose like we did before. 
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Warboss-Skrutch Featured By Owner Jun 28, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
You do realise it's not as easy as cutting few fundings and increasing taxes right? You sound like you are economicaly illiterate, what's your degree/title?
"Cutting the military" - there's more profit in war than you can imagine, you are just taking one screw out of the broken machine to put it elsewhere.
"Ending the war on drugs" - not going to happen and should not happen, the weed is all good but what of other, harder drugs? You want people to make decisions on their own, while not realising their decisions may be hasty and may destroy them and others. People are irresponsible, and letting idiots loose with drugs would be plain idiotic.
"Getting out of the middle east" - same point as earlier

So you want to tax the rich to help the poor? I'm against all the entitlements poor people get because it simply makes them lazy. One of your responsibilities as a citizen is to pay taxes and serve your country, not leech off of it and then demand more. Besides, increase the tax on rich people and/or on the market and either they will move their business out of America or find other, more profitable ways of making money. Don't try to be a leech on succesful people just because they are successful, most of poor people are poor because they are lazy or irresponsible.
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RedAmerican1945 Featured By Owner Jun 28, 2015
I'm done with this conversation, quite frankly I am in no mode to debate politics or economics, were both completely different and seemingly were not going to change our minds. 
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LyricaDeCleff Featured By Owner Jun 24, 2015  Student Artist
I believe in God, but I'm not a full-fledged Christian either. I don't go to church EVERY Sunday, and I don't really get in on the bible lessons either. Jesus forgived us of our sins by dying on the cross. That's it. 
But I do respect people with different opinions on religion.
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RedAmerican1945 Featured By Owner Jun 27, 2015
We need more Christians like you in this world :) 
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LyricaDeCleff Featured By Owner Jun 28, 2015  Student Artist
Thanks, and I agree. :)
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NeneSims Featured By Owner Jun 18, 2015
I think I don't even believe in god
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Briannabater Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2015  Professional Photographer
I'm with you.
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mackie0607 Featured By Owner Jun 17, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
If I even have kids in the future. uvub
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TheTrueMadHatter Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2015  Student General Artist
 //People will force their belief unknowingly. 
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wingedoracle Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2015
My family forces me to be Christian, when I want to be ATHEIST!
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desi-ukulele Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2015  New Deviant
Same thing with my parents, but I don't have a belief.
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xgames555 Featured By Owner Apr 29, 2015
you cant be forced into religion , its what you believe

if you dont believe then they cant control that
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