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Before you start whining and/or reporting my stamp(s) as offensive to your sensitive little head -





I do not believe that it would be morally acceptable for me (me, myself, personally) to raise whatever children I do end up having to be religious in any way. I was not raised 'forced' to believe -- slightly suggested was more like it -- and I think I turned out just fine.

Now, that's not to say I'm not going to expose my children to the many different religions out there. Religions are very interesting things. I think they're worth having a look at. I would like to show them these different faiths, while at the same time making sure they know that people all over the world believe many different things, and that while these things are interesting and fun to think and talk about, they cannot all be true.

When my kids get to an age where they can decide for themselves what they want to believe, then I'll go on from there. If the end up Christian,Hindu, Pagan, Jewish, Muslim, Atheist... then that's their decision, and I will want them to know that I support them no matter what.

So don't think that I'm an evil atheist who is going to force my children to NOT believe, just don't think that I'm going to force them TO believe anything supernatural in particular, either.

As a side note - While I was taking a shower today I had a fun little idea - Science Sunday School! There really aren't any Sunday School options for... well. Atheists. But it'd be really neat to see someone put together a Sunday School program for children interested in science and stuff -- regardless of faith. How awesome would that be?


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I should also add that NO. I am not trying to make science into a religion. I can see how my previous wording could have been mistaken by someone not really paying attention the the whole paragraph. That's okay, I'm used to people taking quotes out of context and trying to use them to justify silliness.

Science is obviously not a religion. Sunday School, as I experienced it, was mostly about creating community and friends, while still learning and enjoying something that we had a common interest in -- in that case, yes, it was God. But the difference here is that I do not worship science, and that accepting children of other faiths into whatever science club would come would NOT be about religious experience. You can enjoy science while still being of X, Y, and Z faith.

The point of said school would be to encourage an interest in science - something that America desperately will need of its youth if it wants to continue to compete in the world economy in the future. That's the way I see it.

Additionally - I could call it a "Sunday Science Club," but you know what? Nah. I'm going to stick with School. Because Christianity does not have a monopoly on Sunday activities, they do not own the words "Sunday" or "School," and you know what? S.S.S. looks way cooler than S.S.C. It even sounds more bad-ass, like a snake or something.

You know what, I'm totally going to go through with this when I move back to the US. And our mascot will be the snakes. I'll make billboards and post them on the sides of the roads so that everyone will be forced to look at them, too. And if your kid is too busy going to Church to attend this bad-ass super sweet Sunday Science School, then that's too bad. The rest of the Super Sweet Sunday Science School Snakes and I will be doing Science and not giving a single damn, because that's just how we roll.

SCIENCE SNAKES FO LYFE (But only the one life, because the majority of us will probably not believe in an afterlife. Although some might, but still, it's worth mentioning that there is probably no God, just to piss you off.)


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Adding on some fun things for certain people:

The Jefferson Bible - Thomas Jefferson's version of the New Testament wherein he removed all sections of the four gospels which contain the Resurrection, most miracles, passages indicating that Jesus was divine, and most mentions of the supernatural.

Thomas Jefferson - one of America's founding fathers. Was a Christian in name, however held deistic views. Insisted on the separation of Church and State on several different occasions.

Deism - the belief that reason and observation of the natural world are sufficient to determine the existence of God, accompanied with the rejection of revelation and authority as a source of religious knowledge. Deism became prominent in the 17th and 18th centuries during the Age of Enlightenment among intellectuals raised as Christians who believed in one god, but found fault with organized religion and could not believe in supernatural events such as miracles, the inerrancy of scriptures, or the Trinity.

Christian Fundamentalism - a movement within Protestantism upholding a literal reading of the Bible. Fundamentalists fight against things like evolution because it contradicts their warm fuzzy feelings about God popping everything into existence as-is (despite evidence that supports the Theory of Evolution), and are viewed by many as intolerant, narrow-minded, and obscurantist.

Creationism - the religious belief that humanity, life, the Earth, and the universe are the creation of a supernatural being, usually the Abrahamic flavour of God. Despite mounds of evidence that is in support of evolution, and an enormous LACK of evidence for creationism, people still cling to this way of thinking because, because God! And Jesus! Tide goes in, tide goes out! You can't explain that!

Atheism - the rejection of belief in the existence of deities. That's it. Seriously.



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:iconwingedoracle:
wingedoracle Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2015
My family forces me to be Christian, when I want to be ATHEIST!
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xgames555 Featured By Owner Apr 29, 2015
you cant be forced into religion , its what you believe

if you dont believe then they cant control that
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rainbowchild. YES. THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT.

My only pet peeve is when people try to force religion on me. I was raised as a Christian, but turned atheist after being opened up to the hatred the LGBTQA community has been exposed to, and after my great uncle's sudden death. When I have a family, I won't bring any religion into it, so my children can believe what they want without fear of me discriminating them. Right now, I'm a closet atheist... I don't know how to come out.
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NyuIa Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2015  Student Digital Artist
my mom told me that, since i have so many questions on religion, i should take a class on religion in college and then decide what religion i want to subscribe to. she never got me baptized because she feels like i have the right to choose what religion i want. i'm pretty sure i'm unitarian or unitarian universalist. i lean more to the liberal side in most situations. however, im still in 8th grade, so i can't say for sure what my religion is :)
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CosmosAndChaos Featured By Owner Apr 11, 2015
I would not force my children to believe in God, I would force atheism on them, though.
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SpectralDraco Featured By Owner 4 days ago  Hobbyist Digital Artist
That's kind of rude. 
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Master-Otkau-Dark Featured By Owner May 2, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
ok personally i would just let people including children choose there own path, to sit there as a parent and force your kids to be a whatever the fuck is wrong just dont do anything, if they decide to be an athiest fine if they want to be a fun lovin jesus man woman fine its there choice. its just wrong in so many levels to force anyone on anything just dont.
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WintersWhite Featured By Owner Apr 1, 2015  Student General Artist
My parents never bring up god at all. We never went to church. I spent my childhood not knowing religion existed. My family pretty much acts like religion doesn't exist. I'm quite grateful for that as I'm a person who would rather decide for myself from the fact I know whether something is immoral or not. 

However, in middle school, my circle of friends forced god on me. I loved to play Pokemon when I was in middle school and they would always try to convince me it was demonic. Whenever I got interested in something else, they would come up with a reason to think its demonic. I pretended to be religious in middle school so I wouldn't be attacked as I was one of the very few atheists at my middle school. It turned me off religion honestly and gave me the image being religious means having a "no fun allowed" life. My best friend that I met in high school is religious but luckily she does not force it on me. 
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DragonStar2197 Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
If I ever have a little Dragon of my own, I'll let the scrapper choose their own religion and life, but I do plan on at least having them be Pagan until they decide which path they should take.
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SprinklezBackup Featured By Owner Edited Mar 30, 2015  Student General Artist
*is secretly a bit agnostic but pretends to just go along with all her family's beliefs so they won't kill her for it.* My stepbrothers seriously started scolding me when I said I had nothing against gays once, being they're the hateful kind of Christians. :stare: And I bet my dad and stepmom would do the same. Anyways, I agree with this.
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Shawntheimmortal94 Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2015  Hobbyist Writer
We all choose how to live our lives who are we to force choice on others
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SpectralDraco Featured By Owner 4 days ago  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Atheism is also not a religion. It's a Idea/Theory. 
Non-religious is also a term, if you've heard of it. 

Other then that, I wish I had your parents tbh.
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repltvirginityismine Featured By Owner May 1, 2015  New member
Atheism is the opposite of religion. It's the lack of believing "God(s)" or "Goddesses". We're merely a group of people with the same opinion or "belief". So technically if you don't believe in a religion, then you're an Atheist. 
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Master-Otkau-Dark Featured By Owner May 1, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
whatever man i dont care
its not really that important to me
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Sunshineluigi Featured By Owner Feb 28, 2015
My mom force's me to believe in god  , even though I do, I don't like how  she gets suspicious with games she hasn't heard of and she looks to see if it's biblical seriously she looked up to see if SIMS were biblical -_-
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Iamshadowthefox Featured By Owner Mar 8, 2015
That's sad, sims doesn't even have a religion, (unless you count seasons)
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Sunshineluigi Featured By Owner Mar 8, 2015
Ikr seriously name one game that follows religion
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SpectralDraco Featured By Owner 4 days ago  Hobbyist Digital Artist
The Assassin's Creed franchise kinda has a weird religion mix to it. I wouldn't let your mom catch you playing that because she'd flip, given that she would look it up.
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Sunshineluigi Featured By Owner 4 days ago
My dad has that game.....I have no plans to play it
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Iamshadowthefox Featured By Owner Mar 8, 2015
I don't know of any...
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Sunshineluigi Featured By Owner Mar 8, 2015
Exactly my point
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MrMeisterWaffle Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2015  Student Artist
(I want to note that I am a catholic.) If I do have kids, and they tell me that they don't want to be religious. I will fully respect their choice
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Wafflez-of-Equestria Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2015  Student Digital Artist
Same here :3
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TheWingedSkeleton Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2015  Student Digital Artist
Even though i don't want kids (yet, i'm not sure....) I would never force them to let them believe in god.
I myself do not believe in god, but if my kids want to they can. It's their choice :)
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PrinceOfRage Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2015  Professional Artisan Crafter
This is really fantastic and I think it's extremely important. The only issue is, if the parents practice a particular faith, naturally the child will want to emulate that. By exposing them to other ways of thinking and letting them be guided to their own path hopefully they will find that individual path but I sometimes think that individuals assume children have been forced into religion just because the child wants to be like the parents. I don't think you're saying that here at all (your comments are spot on and fantastic) but I do think it's important to note. I was raised Catholic but explored other religious ways of thinking on my own. I am currently Muslim and a Unitarian.
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RedLotusPony Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
My family somewhat agrees on a religion - not completely, we all have our slightly differing beliefs. If you're wondering, it is a somewhat strange religion that pretty much only we have. I was raised in my family with my parents talking about what they believed in now and then and it sounded both good and right to me. So I chose to follow my parents' religion. I will not force my children to believe the same thing I do, but I will do the way my parents did: talk about my beliefs and if they don't agree with me, I'll respect that.
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snubbuII Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2015  Student Digital Artist
my mom didn't get me baptized. she said that i should be free to choose my own religion :)
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Cleverpelt Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm so glad my father didn't force Religion on my brother and I, despite his beliefs. 
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Commander-Dominic Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2015
Agreed.
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PeteSeeger Featured By Owner Dec 17, 2014  Student Writer
Jefferson's defense of separation of Church and State was for the protection of religion. Not vice versa.
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Kirschchan Featured By Owner Edited Mar 6, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
The US is formed on a secular base. So was that line not meant to protect the people from such disagreements?
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PeteSeeger Featured By Owner Mar 6, 2015  Student Writer
Every state and commonwealth charter in the United States bears some reference to God, I would hardly call it secular.
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Kirschchan Featured By Owner Mar 7, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Bruh, it's supposed to be secular. Do politicians make decisions based on the calling of God? Can you quote me any recent documents that have a reference to God? The thing is, nobody can deny that the majority of the US are Christians or Catholic or whatever. But to bring religion and crash it with the modern political world is disastrous.

Do you hate non-Christian people? Or just atheists?
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PeteSeeger Featured By Owner Mar 7, 2015  Student Writer
People are supposed to vote for and support things they think are right. And religion as a manner of understanding our Creator and our world is how people understand right from wrong. How then can you imagine to keep the two separate?

I hate neither. WHere'd you get the idea I did?
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Kirschchan Featured By Owner Mar 7, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
You can build your own principles and morals from your religion, but to say "because the Bible said so" would be... Misleading. They're still your own principles with your own reasons, are they not?

Sorry for the misunderstanding then. It's just that I read some of your other comments that made me under the impression that you dislike us.
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PeteSeeger Featured By Owner Mar 7, 2015  Student Writer
Let me ask you something: do you hold that murder is evil?

I'm entirely indifferent.
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Kirschchan Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
No. It's certainly a terrible thing, but I doubt there's any murder done out of pure evil. I, personally, define evil as "I'm doing it just cuz". I don't believe anyone murders for the sake of it. Whether it be the mental incapability that drives sociopaths, the terrible childhood that twists minds, or the revenge that stains someone's heart, there's a motive. I despise murderers for what they've and it's unlikely I'll find a reason to forgive them (unless it was out of self-defense). However, do I find it "evil"? No, I don't think that would be the best word to describe it.
I guess what I just wrote had more to do with the murderer, not murder itself. If you're specifically asking about murder, then my answer will be that murder is tragic, but just that by itself wouldn't count murder as evil. A reason is needed. As to who is to be the judge of how bad, that's a matter of opinion. There are plenty of obvious scenarios, but there are even more ambiguous cases. To say something outright would be rather ignorant, really.

I understand this is a rather uncommon standpoint. I don't really mind if you argue against it, because it's obvious there are about a thousand holes in its logic.
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VonRabenherz Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
And can you prove this, or do you only go around asserting stuff?
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:iconpeteseeger:
PeteSeeger Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2015  Student Writer
It's common knowledge!
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VonRabenherz Featured By Owner Feb 2, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
There is no such thing.
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:iconpeteseeger:
PeteSeeger Featured By Owner Feb 2, 2015  Student Writer
What do you mean?
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VonRabenherz Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
"Common knowledge". There is no such thing, it's the cheapest kind of an argumentum ad populum. If you state something as fact, especially something that is open to interpretation (which you did, because Jefferson never stated what you claimed explicitly), you'll have to back it up with some facts, or it's not worth the few bytes of space it takes up on DA's servers.
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PeteSeeger Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2015  Student Writer
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VonRabenherz Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
There, that wasn't so hard, was it?

Not that I necessarily agree with the article. Seems to be fairly biased if you ask me, and all the author does is apply his own interpretation of the specific matter at hand ("His reply clearly applied “Separation of Church and State” to the establishment and not to the free exercise of religion." - if it was that clear, there would not be any need to argue the point... ), but hey, that's a different matter.
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Slendermansbrother Featured By Owner Dec 10, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Just some evidence since you pissed me off... :D

Read St. Thomas Aquinas' 5 laws. They help prove God's existence in ways where you can't prove he doesn't afterwards.

Also, unrelated to what's above... Why do people who are atheist say they don't believe in God, yet they keep saying "God doesn't exist, We hate God so much, We don't believe in God!" They just keep bringing up God... So if he doesn't exist... Why do they keep saying God and even bother wasting their time trying to prove he doesn't?
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VonRabenherz Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Aquinas proves nothing. He jumps to pre-determined conclusions that do not follow from his premises. His argumentation is faulty.

As to why atheists keep speaking out against religion, that one's easy:
Because religious people keep trying to push their religious agenda into areas where it does not belong - like science classes, court houses or other people's bedrooms. This needs to be opposed.
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Slendermansbrother Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Ah true... That makes sense...

You bring up a good point and have opened my eyes a little... Thank you very much for bringing up those fair points and answering my question... I apologize for anything I may have done to provoke you
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VonRabenherz Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
No need, no need, you haven't provoked me in any way ^^

I'm happy that the points I made didn't fell upon deaf ears, that's rather rare to be honest. I tip my hat to you.
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Slendermansbrother Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
That's good ^^

That is unfortunately true... people need to be more open to other people's views and listen instead of trying to ignore their opinions... I tip my hate to you too sir and hope you have a great life ^^
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