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I'm against non-emergency late-term abortions. What?! you might cry out, But =8manderz8, you're one of them crazy kill-the-babies people!" Well, confused internet person, allow me to explain.

The abortion debate is not black and white. I understand that there are those sides of the debate ('pro-life, even when raped!' or 'pro-choice, up until birth!'), but I think most people tend to dwell inside those shades of grey ('pro-life, except when raped!' or 'pro-choice, up until the third trimester!').

I'm inside those shades of grey on the pro-choice side of things. I definitely believe that a person ought to have the right to choose whether or not they continue a pregnancy, although I personally feel that it should only go to a certain point. (Shit storm in 3...2...)

With the care of a neo-natal ICU, a healthy fetus can survive outside of the womb at 28 weeks (the third trimester typically starts at week 29, and pregnancies are around 40 weeks long). This is well past the halfway-mark. I know situations vary from person to person, and it sounds awfully terrible for me to say it, but if you wanted to have an abortion but put it off as long as you did, then to put it bluntly -- that's just too bad.

It's certainly not about 'punishing' people, let me make that clear. If someone has a big project due by X time, and they put off finishing it until well after X, the teacher giving them a bad mark is not 'punishment,' but rather it's a response to their lack of action. If the student has a valid reason though, maybe because of a life-threatening situation, I can see the teacher giving them another chance. So, too, with me being against late-term abortion. You had six and a half months to make your decision, and you decided to not go ahead with it. Unless there's a life-threatening situation, it just seems wrong to terminate if the fetus can survive independently outside of the womb. That's the abortion/adoption switch line that I have in my mind.

What do you guys think?

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I want to add a few more things here.

I just remembered that there was a case recently that is described in this journal, where a mother who self-aborted her fetus within a week of its due date was jailed for eight years.

I still believe that it is morally wrong to terminate a pregnancy past the point where the fetus could survive without assistance from its mother. I support bodily autonomy, and I also hold the belief that once a fetus is capable of survival outside the womb -- yes, even with the aid of medical technology -- then it is a person. So, if at the point at which the fetus is able to live without its mother, it can be called a person, then that means it has its own rights to bodily autonomy and, thus, should not have its life terminated.

Those are just my thoughts on it, you're free to disagree if you like, because I understand that there are different opinions out there on where and when a fetus is recognized as a person.

At 26 weeks, the mortality rate of a prematurely born fetus is 24.4%.
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haruchannanase Featured By Owner 6 days ago  Student Digital Artist
Aren't there already laws against aborting the fetus after a certain point in the pregnancy? At least that's what I've heard... I might be wrong, though. (I live in the US, by the way.)
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Undead-Purdy Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
I fully agree, I'm pro-choice almost unconditionally, but unless it's 100% nessasary for a late term abortion to take place then I'm against it
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Kote-417 Featured By Owner Edited Apr 7, 2015  Student General Artist
FINALLY! A different variety of Pro-Choice! Personally, I agree with most of this. But if it were a teen who was pregnant and wanted a late-term abortion, I'd say yes. I personally believe babies should not have babies, and anyone under age 20 is a juvenile in my opinion. If they wanna have it, I'm not gonna force them not to, but if they don't want it then abortion should be a choice no matter how late if it's a teen or even a child having it. If it's an adult woman? Then no, I don't support late-term. Rape babies on the other hand, are a varying subject.
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MetallicGirl Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2015  Professional Writer
Yes, I agree with you. There should be a cut-off date. Of course that doesn't include emergency abortions, like you said. Emergencies generally don't qualify as things you've planned out!
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Gothic-Bunny-13 Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
A late term abortion happens for a reason sometimes...
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MetallicGirl Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2015  Professional Writer
But that's why she said "non-emergency".
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Gothic-Bunny-13 Featured By Owner Feb 14, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
I know
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Dylan-the-dude Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
me too ^w^
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VampireQueenEffeffia Featured By Owner Edited Oct 25, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Pregnancy is a commitment. You need to commit to having the baby, in the event you choose to, which means committing to take care of yourself and the unborn child so there are as few complications as possible. If you make the commitment, you should go through with it until the end, unless, as you said, there's some kind of risk last minute, like either to the mother or even to the baby (i.e., X, Y, and Z are going wrong, they will never have a normal life, and they'll be in daily pain). I have to agree with you here, and I especially like your analogy.

However, I do have to agree with a few others that if she was on the waiting list for too long, she should still have the option. Only if she was on the waiting list though. If she waits until she's so prego she can't get through the door, then yeah, sucks to be her. Pregnancy is a commitment, and if you are even the tiniest bit unsure, you may not be ready to make it. The best choice would to terminate as soon as possible, or if you don't want to abort, find someone who will take it or somewhere that specializes in finding homes for unwanted children.
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Stingrayzz Featured By Owner Jul 7, 2014
It's developed enough, then abortion can be dangerous to both the mother and the CHILD.
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ObsydianIce Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Isn't it dangerous to terminate a fetus late?
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derpy202 Featured By Owner Jul 17, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
not if done correctly 
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CrimsonFALKE Featured By Owner Jun 27, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
If it can survive outside a womb then abortion needs to be off the table 
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Nixxyi Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
True.
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revilnemesis3 Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2013
I am pro-choice but not a fan of late-term unless sever medical conditions complicate matters.
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SilverBeastLaguz Featured By Owner Oct 14, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
I don't like late-term either, unless it's to prevent the death of the pregnant woman or some other emergency.
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Lipizzaner-Kgirl Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2014  Student General Artist
In a situation like that, the baby could be removed and allowed to live. Either way, there's not point in killing it.
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SilverBeastLaguz Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Really? It's possible for a baby live after it's aborted? I didn't know that.
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Komatsuzaki-Xingqi Featured By Owner Jun 18, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
It's also possible for Joe Biden to win the 2016 Democratic Nomination. 

Oh wait...
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SilverBeastLaguz Featured By Owner Jun 18, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
And why are you bringing this up into the conversation, when it has nothing to do with it? I don't even care about that right now.
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Komatsuzaki-Xingqi Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Fun. 
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Lipizzaner-Kgirl Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2014  Student General Artist
Abortion aims to kill the baby, and it usually does. Sometimes it doesn't though, and simply maims the child, usually for life.

What I was talking about, though, would be surgically removing the baby and caring for it outside the womb. If it's only 20 weeks old, it would need to be hooked up to machines and it might not make it, but it's better than two people dying. Fortunately, though, medical technology has reached the point where caring for a five-month baby, unless there's complications, gives it a very good chance at living a perfectly healthy, normal life. All in all, there isn't any point to late-term abortion.
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SilverHowler Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
You're talking about a C-Section or Induced Delivery, Lipizzaner, not an abortion. That's the only way to remove the fetus rather than simply terminating it.
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Lipizzaner-Kgirl Featured By Owner Mar 16, 2014  Student General Artist
Yes, which is why I clarified between the two. Occasionally a baby might survive an abortion, but that's very rare and the kid is usually maimed for life.
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SilverHowler Featured By Owner Mar 17, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
"What I was talking about, though, would be surgically removing the baby and caring for it outside the womb."

I was simply attempting to provide you with the correct terminology and procedures, sorry if it came across as something else.
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Lipizzaner-Kgirl Featured By Owner Mar 17, 2014  Student General Artist
Oh, okay. Technically it's surgically removing the baby and caring for it as opposed to surgically removing it and allowing or causing it to die, or killing it in the process, but whatever. I see your point.
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to-lazy-for-username Featured By Owner Oct 6, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Omg I love you for this :la: I agree about pretty much everything you just said. :iconthisplz:
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LordElthibar Featured By Owner Sep 29, 2013
I never thought I would say this in a Christian college but I agree with you on this. For a common enemy unites even the oldest of foes. I'm with you in your opposition of late-term. Long life to you!!
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LordElthibar Featured By Owner Sep 23, 2013
Who would have guesed that we would actually come to something that we agree on?
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watermeloncrunch Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
"I’m holding a baby in one hand and a petri dish holding a fetus in the other.
I’m going to drop one. You chose which.
If you really truly believe a fetus is the same thing as a baby, it should be impossible for you to decide. You should have to flip a coin, that’s how impossible the decision should be.
Shot in the dark, you saved the baby.
Because you’re aware there’s a difference.

Now admit it."

Read that quote. Just think about it for a while.
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LittleCharmers Featured By Owner Edited Dec 24, 2014
Lol, this is just silly.
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AClockworkKitten Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2013  Student Digital Artist
She's not pro-life.
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watermeloncrunch Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I know. Just I'm so annoyed by some of the righteous religious idiots running around and screaming "OH MY GOODNESS ABORTION NO NO NO NO ADOPTION YES YES YES"
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Tandenfee Featured By Owner Sep 22, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
you just wanted to post that quote somewhere =P
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watermeloncrunch Featured By Owner Sep 22, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
To make a point.
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Tandenfee Featured By Owner Sep 22, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I never said you didn't want to make a point. i just think you wanted to have it somewhere so the public/other DA users would see it, and not neccessarily the artist who made this stamp.

By the way it wasn't to atack you or anything, I think you're totally right and agree with you completely. The whole "you could have it adopted" is so stupid. There are SO many poor kids in countries like myanmar or columbia who have no food and might end up in child prostitution if they aren't adopted.. They should have a chance, and they won't have that if everyone keeps advertising pro-life and adoption.
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ZeitgeistDragon Featured By Owner Aug 26, 2013   Traditional Artist
I feel the same way for the most part. Although i'm not sure i'm 100% comfortable with abortion at any point, I don't believe in that "life starts at conception" crap,Before it has a brain, it's technically just a cluster of cells so, i think its a person once the  brain has formed.

But like you said, it's not black and white. That's what annoys me the most about ppl, they wanna use the term "riding the fence" so loosely. And it just doesn't apply to most of these issues we face. I think it is about being balanced, being reasonable, and realizing that life is more complicated than that. So to a certain degree, it's about what each person is comfortable.   

But the world is full of dumb fucks, and you know stupid ppl don't do complicated. :XD:
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AClockworkKitten Featured By Owner Aug 17, 2013  Student Digital Artist
What do you think of Texas' abortion law?  I agree with it for the most part, but I heard it was handled pretty poorly.
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bigsadpuppyeye Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2013
Stop early term abortion and no I am not anti woman how is caring about the child is begin anti woman
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MauEvig Featured By Owner Jul 29, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Well...to be honest...and I'm sure I'm going to get flack for it...but I think a woman should be able to abort at any time during the pregnancy. Even the third trimester.
The reason being? With all the laws and restrictions nowadays forcing a woman to delay an abortion could potentially force her to wait that long, so what happens when a woman who wants an abortion gets bounced around Doctor after Doctor (not just for legal restrictions, but because of personal morals for why they wouldn't perform the abortion. Of course they really should separate their religious beliefs from their practice as a Doctor, but that doesn't mean they will), until they finally get a Doctor willing to do the abortion...except now it's too late because it's passed the 6 month mark.
I'm not saying women usually take that long to make a decision, but there's always the chance that there's a good reason why she waited that long and the trend these days is being denied abortions. Imagine going to every abortion Doctor only to be denied. What then? Give up? Hellz no.
There's also the whole thing about not being able to afford an abortion until that point in time.
Yes women should get an abortion earlier, but it's not always possible. We all know this isn't a perfect world though, because in a perfect world people who want children and are capable of taking care of them would have them. People who don't want children wouldn't have them. Saying "too bad" still takes away from a woman's right to choose.
Not saying I don't respect your opinion, but I do disagree with it. Until a baby is actually born, a woman has a right to an abortion. To me it doesn't matter if it can survive outside or not if it's still physically connected to her and living inside her, it's still leeching off of her. Of course, a baby is going to be dependent outside the womb, but at that point then you should have to either care for it or give it up for adoption. (Doesn't mean you have to breast feed, this is the 21st century and they do have formulas available and stuff, it sucks but that's just how it is).  If it were me and abortion was not an option, it would go up for adoption. It sounds cruel, but considering I hate babies it would be the better choice. I'd never resort to killing one, but I wouldn't want to have one. I'm fine with kids once they're passed the baby stage though, as long as I can give them back to their parents when they act up.
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Komatsuzaki-Xingqi Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You are respectable. :) I'm talking to a feminist right now who is for abortions even until 3 seconds before the baby leaves the mother's body. At least you're decent. 
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watermeloncrunch Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I do too XD Some people think I'm a "disgusting cruel monster" for thinking this, but I support a women getting an abortion anytime during her pregancy. Hell, if I was like 8 months pregnant, I'd probably just "accidentally" smash into a wall until the fetus was dead.
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Komatsuzaki-Xingqi Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I see. That is a true shame. You should have no problem with killing babies then. :unimpressed: 
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SpeakThroughFingers Featured By Owner Oct 5, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
while I'm of the same opinion of ~watermeloncrush, I think it's more complicated than that. I'm okay with an abortion at any time, but not killing a born infant. This is because I believe in bodily autonomy, and while a fetus at 39 weeks is imposing itself on a woman, a born infant is not. Nobody has a right to anyone else's body. I view it as the same as organ donation. Someone needs a part of someone else's body to live. The person can live without the part the other needs, but doesn't mean they should be forced to give it away, even if someone else's life depends on it.

If a woman is getting a late term abortion, it's likely because of fetal abnormalities, danger to herself, she wasn't able to get one sooner, or she may not have even known she was pregnant until late term, or thought she wasn't as far along as she actually is, and doesn't want to be pregnant for various reasons.

So just because someone is okay with late term abortion, it's not the same as being okay with killing babies. There is more to it than viability.
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watermeloncrunch Featured By Owner Sep 11, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I know I come off as extreme, but it's just because I'm so pissed off at pro-lifers. I just don't think fetuses are babies.
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Komatsuzaki-Xingqi Featured By Owner Sep 11, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
There is a difference between ending the life of a fetus at 2 weeks, and ending the life of whatever-you-want-to-call-it at 8 weeks before birth. 8 weeks before birth, it looks like a baby, just not completely developed. Those kinds of abortions are illegal most places, I think, since it's tantamount to murdering infants. :shrug: 
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Little-rolling-bean Featured By Owner Jul 19, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
This.

Sorry, as much as I am pro-choice, she should of chosen earlier, not waited 9 months to decide.
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Cammi0 Featured By Owner Dec 26, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Late reply, but I couldn't agree with you more. 
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Little-rolling-bean Featured By Owner Dec 26, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
:)
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