It is ironic. The vast majority of religions got their jump-starts by analysing via rudiment the heavens and by adoring the heavenly bodies (the Sun probably being the first sanctioned Deity) and now they close themselves in their admittedly beautiful edifices to ignore the sky.
I would much rather look for the Gods up in the skies where my ancestors figured they'd be.
Instead of wondering how much tax exemption costs us, how about we wonder why the 16th amendment was passed? Or how about military spending? Welfare system? Our government facilitating mediocrity in the healthcare system?
That's what I think too. Doesn't giving them some sort of free pass sort of look like they're getting special treatment? I mean, it's not like one of the major political parties isn't already pushing Christian values anyway. :/
It's called the constitution. 1st amendment and all that; ever heard of it? We spend an equal amount of money giving welfare to illegals than we do "losing" it to tax exemptions for churches. I honestly think it's just plain stupid when people (not saying you, but people in general) think it's a good idea to lift tax exemptions on churches. If it was possible, I'd say give churches even more tax exemptions, but that's not quite how it works. You get the idea.
Besides, NASA should have been privatized a long time ago. Space travel is for the American private sector. It's time the government took its bow for the final time.
This idea about making churches pay taxes is not new- it was brought up about three decades ago in the '80's, and they were just as wrong then as they are now. There's an order of operations with the nation's finances. Cut the military, they say. Make churches that already can barely afford to keep their doors open pay taxes, they say. Damn the first amendment, they say. But don't you dare criticize government spending like the world police policies or the overbloated welfare system, and especially not billion dollar bailouts for corporations.
It's just insanity. I have no words for the rubbish of it all... except for what I've already said.
Normally, I agree with all your stamps, but if these people pay taxes, they will be able to have a say in government. That's not exactly separating church and state. I don't know about you, but I don't think that the church should be able to have ANY direct say in politics like this will grant it.
I think if we want to cut our debt and save money, we should start by knocking out all the stupid stuff the federal government spends our tax dollars on. [link] YEEEEEEEEP. You read all of that right.
That's a fair enough reason, however we have to look at it how it is in reality - as we stand, even without requiring them to pay tax, religion still holds a very powerful sway in the government, and has for a long time. Our national motto is no longer "E pluribus unum," but "In God We Trust." One of the two major political parties clearly aligns itself with the wishes and agendas of religion. I agree that there are plenty of things that can be cut from the budget, or added to help boost our economy in time. But here's how I take it - by not making them pay the same taxes as everyone else has to, it appears that the government is 'respecting an establishment of religion' by giving them a special tax-exempt status, which is clearly against the Constitution of the United States.
Exactly. So we shouldn't give them any more justification to stick their noses in where they're not wanted. I agree with you that taxing the churches WOULD give us more money, but we really can't give them any more leverage than they already have.
The more I think about it, the more I'm convinced that it might be beneficial to tax them in the end. By not making them pay the same taxes that everyone else as to, it appears that the government is respecting an establishment of religion by placing them in a special little shelf all to themselves.
Another good point would be if we taxed the religious they'd have freer reign to say what goes on in government and even get more monies from the government than just the religious hospitals who take medicare patients.
Plus it would mean folks paying taxes to that would be given to the now taxed religions. while I am an orthodox, conservative Christian, I don't want that to happen.
LOL then let everyone taxed get a say in what the government does. I feel its smart NOT to tax the religious, so they can not say 'no taxation without representation' and get far more governmental monies than they do with just hospitals who take medical medicaid patients.
As you do know, I am religious, but I don't believe its right for an atheist to have to pay for the churches or temples or mosques or whatever else. And if religions were taxed, that would eventually happen.
As the stamp says: 71 billion dollars lost EVERY YEAR because churches are not taxed. Given the way so many churches work like businesses, and the way so many churches like to meddle in politics, taxing seems only fair. Businesses are taxed. What is their "representation"?
If churches were taxed, the way they should, there would be more than enough money coming in from religious sources to compensate for it.
Well I won't argue those points. As for businesses, I do believe they have their spokesmen and women come before Congress to voice their concern. I don't believe, or I don't know about religious doing the same, ACTUALLY coming before Congress. I could be wrong there.
Depends on the parish you'd be in. My church would be totally bankrupt and closed down. They pay the laity more than they do the actual priests, who rely more on that money than the laity, who have jobs. Not talking secretaries or janitors. I'm talking about the choir, who while nice sounding are definately NOT pro, and I believe their council among other things. In fact, if we stopped paying those who demanded hand outs, who had other jobs, we'd make money, and have an easier time, if taxed.
But the secondary concern is, government loves wasting tax dollars anyway. I can't imagine the insanity they'd spend with 21 billion, and STILL get nothing done.
Good points. I think one reason they haven't been taxed so far IS because of seperation of church and state, and people fearing if taxed their monies would go to said churches, temples and mosques, etc. But you are right, it does make them priviledged.
I can't imagine how the pork waste would bongle that, with only the bare minimum actually used to help the government.... and then those fat cats would have us right back where we were to begin with.
THere's something fundamentally wrong about the idea that you are allowed tax cuts because of your personal superstitions. Absurd. I mean, anybody could start a religion and get tax cuts by this logic.