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"If Churches care so much about politics, then they should pay taxes like everyone else!"

Based off the following quote by George Carlin:

I don't know how you feel, but I'm pretty sick of church people. You know what they ought to do with churches? Tax them. If holy people are so interested in politics, government, and public policy, let them pay the price of admission like everybody else. The Catholic Church alone could wipe out the national debt if all you did was tax their real estate.



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:iconcommander-dominic:
Commander-Dominic Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2015
Agreed.
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MandiPope Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Right....  this?  This is why I love you so freakin' hard right now.

Well said.  Well said, indeed.


Mandi Pope
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ArterialBlack716 Featured By Owner Mar 17, 2015
it's funny that people say this, as if Jesus didn't say the same thing Himself. www.biblegateway.com/passage/?…

the secular world says plenty of things that Jesus Himself said and tries to turn them around against Him.
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EnriqueArreguin777 Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2014
This stamp should just be removed. 

Look at all the comments. lol
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ghostanjo Featured By Owner Oct 9, 2014  Student General Artist
fun fact Churches are non profit organizations. Other things that are non profit are science centers, charities, campaigns, many hospitals and shelters. All of these get involved with the government in some way. Are you saying you want to tax them too? Or are you just being bias? 
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MKBrony Featured By Owner Apr 4, 2015  Hobbyist Photographer
The problem with many* churches that ask you to tide them by giving 10% of your earnings is that most of the time it doesn't go to anything beneficial outside of the church (e.g. sheltering and/or feeding the homeless). It usually goes towards maintenance to the church facilities and right into the pastor's pockets^. And it doesn't help that the 10% is usually a flat rate, meaning that people in the lower classes spend more of their money that is better-off spent on commodities such as food, heating, bills/taxes etc.



*not all
^youtu.be/EsoC10TFCy4
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ghostanjo Featured By Owner Apr 4, 2015  Student General Artist
that's like saying charity is bad because some don't help as much as they should.
And churches don't make you tide just like organizations and charities don't make you donate. 
all types of nonprofit have been guilty of miss using donations. 
Red cross for example over pays the CEO, and charges high amounts for training in things like CPR.
A Zoo near my house is non profit but the workers still get payed and the zoo still sells merch and food.
So again if you tax one nonprofit then tax them all. Taxing one and not the others is flat out being bias.
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Rainfire-art Featured By Owner Sep 25, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Its not like I'm against it or anything :3
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Rainfire-art Featured By Owner Sep 25, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
The only thing is that churches are non profit, and therefore cannot get the money. It would be unfair for religious people to have to pay to do this stuff.
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:iconjoeisbadass:
joeisbadass Featured By Owner Jul 16, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
How does paying taxes mean you care about politics? Taxation is by its very nature paying for the political agenda and idea of someone else.
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:iconthe-conquerors:
The-Conquerors Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Joe she's a liberal. Don't try to argue with her. She will fail to see the logic in this if it doesn't agree with her views. ~ C
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joeisbadass Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
The problem with the idea of taxing churches is the fact that they're non-profit. Individuals among the church still all pay taxes, but establishing a sort of "shrine tax" that a non-profit organization has to pay would be the opposite of what I personally think should be the case (I think the corporate tax should be removed for a similar reason I think there shouldn't be a church tax). Priests and clergymen all pay taxes, just like CEOS do. They just pay it as people and not parts of the church.
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The-Conquerors Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Perhaps you should explain that to her. I hate to be mean but she has used some of the most paper thin arguments I've ever seen on DA. Case and point, fav.me/d551sfa, fav.me/d4zaivn. ~ C
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joeisbadass Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
The Killer fetus argument doesn't even make sense to me. People are born without morality. What makes serial killers the way they are are based on environments and issues that happen after the baby is already born, so how can pro-life women even conceive the idea that their fetus may end up being a serial killer, and one who cherishes life and cherishes her fetus would likely do everything in her power to prevent that from happenoing.
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The-Conquerors Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
That was my point. I tore through her argument in two seconds. I'm ok with people being pro-choice and there have been several arguments that have made me think. However this one... its just, just. No No, I disagree! ~ C
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joeisbadass Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm moderately pro-life. I can sympathize with a woman's financial and emotional situations with having a baby and giving birth to it, but if someone consciously makes the choice to risk having a baby, as far as I'm concerned they should be prepared to at least put it up for adoption. ._.

Obviously in the case of rape though, it's a different story.
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The-Conquerors Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
True dat. ~ C
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Piggykit Featured By Owner May 24, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
A non-profit organization cannot earn money to pay for taxes.  Especially with today's inflation.  It's a service, not a business.
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MKBrony Featured By Owner Jul 9, 2014  Hobbyist Photographer
Um, no. When people tide the church, the person benefitting the most from it is the Pastor and the higher-ups in the religion. Hell, the former Pope received a one-off FERRARI ENZO!! A multi-million dollar SUPERCAR!!! So don't go around calling the church a Non-profit organization.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsoC10…
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Piggykit Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Actually, a "non-profit" organization (as defined by the government) is one without shareholders.
Yes, churches make money, but aren't displayed as such. Therefore, the government probably won't choose to tax them. Also, probably because they're a religious organization as well.
Schools and hospitals are "non-profit", too.
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:iconmkbrony:
MKBrony Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2014  Hobbyist Photographer
Yes, but the fact that people are duped out of their money, and the government doesn't even beat an eyelid due to it having the "religion" label, just sickens me because how they are able to make millions by practically scamming the public.
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Piggykit Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I see your point...
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:iconmkbrony:
MKBrony Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2014  Hobbyist Photographer
That's why the Church NEEDS to pay taxes. It doesn't help that Christians Protested that Obamacare was an "affront to their religious rights" because they thought that "funding contraceptives=forced to use them" which is completely untrue, and every Christian in America has received a tax exemption from Obamacare, which makes contraceptives out of more peoples' reach, and affecting the human rights of everyone.
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SherbertTCat Featured By Owner Aug 8, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
As long as the Separation of Church and State exists, the Government will never be able to tax churches carte blanche. Really, you should be thankful for that. You don't wanna know the kinds of political favors 71 billion dollars a year in taxes would buy them.
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MKBrony Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2014  Hobbyist Photographer
However, the US is definitely looking like it's becoming more and more of a theocracy, with several of the southern states flat-out banning atheists from taking office, not helped by the fact that the majority of active voters are Christian, things in the US are eventually gonna lead to the US becoming a theocracy like many areas with Islam as the main religion, only worse due to the US spending more on military expenses than any other portion of the world.

This is a worst-case scenario but it can happen
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cerbereth132 Featured By Owner May 20, 2014
George Carlin never thought that hypothetical through to its full conclusion. 

I think most people have a misunderstanding of why churches don't pay taxes though. It is not because Churches are getting out of a bill it is to protect government from church influence. Let me put it like this. You know what pays taxes? A corporation. You know what gets to donate unlimited money to political campaigns, hire full time lobbyists, and endorse candidates? A corporation. Do you know what the wealthiest and oldest institution on the planet is? The Roman Catholic church. Do you think they might get involved politically if all of a sudden they have the option to?     

Right now churches bang on the gate, but I don't think the solution is to open the gate and invite them in. 
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wakaflockaflame1 Featured By Owner Apr 24, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
They SHOULD NOT BE FUCK NO WHERE NEAR POLITRICKS!
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Blackestfang Featured By Owner May 8, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
why I love the first amendment. not only does it let us say what we want (With certain things being no fighting words or words that would endanger others like yelling fire in a crowded theater) it also states the government can not support any religion nor force it to the people, this is now used to protect the government from people. I get some countries have lots of traditions based off religions but laws and religion should never go hand and hand. can they make little festivals for religions? Sure A little get together for a religion does not affect the way a nation is run. 
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wakaflockaflame1 Featured By Owner Jun 9, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I could never agree more, the church should never be involved with anything but what it was made for.
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X12-1992 Featured By Owner Apr 24, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
I rather the Churches not pay taxes than have them have representation in our government. 
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PrincessElemix Featured By Owner Mar 23, 2014
Because they're considered non-profit organizations.
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PeteSeeger Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2014  Student Writer
You miss the entire idea of religious institutions. And George Carlin doesn't know shit about the Church.
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ZuriMotgomery Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Churches like to scream separation of church and state when it comes to this. But when they want to get involved with influencing lawmaking, the separation no longer exists. When in reality, the separation is in place so law making isn't influenced by religion. Nothing to do with taxes. 
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cutiewolf15668 Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2013
exactly
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Komatsuzaki-Xingqi Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I wonder how long it would take to clean the 16 trillion and counting national debt if we taxed the Catholic Church. 
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crazyforchocobos Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2013
That's a legit question but for a wild guess....*looks at photos of Vatican City* probably withing a reasonable time frame.
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TheEye15 Featured By Owner Jul 7, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
You expect self proclaimed holy people to pay taxes? Are you crazy! Their job is tell everyone who doesn't agree with them they are going to hell, not help the common man! Politics should be strictly controlled by church and the president should be the pope; no the pope should just be king and the bible should be law.
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PoliticalViolet Featured By Owner Jul 25, 2013   General Artist
Lol!
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:icontheeye15:
TheEye15 Featured By Owner Jul 26, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
:bow:
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JuanAtaquito Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
BUT WHY HELP WIPE OUT DEPT THAT WE DIDN'T CAUSE?
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AvantGardePony Featured By Owner May 30, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Hear hear! I'm religious, and a Priest, actually- and I am not against this at all. Quite in favor of, in fact. =)

Also, George Carlin is hilarious, may the worms be merciful to his body... =P (Is there a more appropriate Atheist/secular analogy for the "rest in peace" sentiment?)
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:icontoaarcan:
ToaArcan Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Some faith in humanity restored!
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:icondaedric-darling:
daedric-darling Featured By Owner Jul 1, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
No, there is no more appropriate atheistic analogy than that. That... that was beautiful. I'm not crying, I'm not! :iconnotcryingplz:
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AvantGardePony Featured By Owner Jul 7, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
=D
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LordElthibar Featured By Owner May 28, 2013
I support the Churches paying taxes, Jesus Himself told the Pharisees to give to Ceasar what is Ceasar's and to God what is God's. But I oppose the government charging unjust taxes.
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:iconjoeisbadass:
joeisbadass Featured By Owner Jul 16, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
True but he was basically just saying politics aren't his thing
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:iconlordelthibar:
LordElthibar Featured By Owner Jul 16, 2014
Like heck he was.
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:iconjoeisbadass:
joeisbadass Featured By Owner Jul 16, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Yeah
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:iconfeathertho:
Feathertho Featured By Owner May 26, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
Fuck Church.
Proud to be an anti-church Christian.
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0L50NJ4 Featured By Owner May 20, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
AMEN!
I was just thinking this the other day!
:)
(Nice to see that I'm not alone in my thoughts. :D lol :D )
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